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Rodw, as you are the primary editor here, I won't make single, tiny disparaging comment about the infobox.......BUT, wouldn't that very useful map in a box, look a lot tidier if it were inside that very uninformative infobox. Even by infobox lovers standards surely one can have too much of a good thing. I am looking very forward to seeing you try to get the architecture style(s) in the box :-D Giano(talk)16:13, 6 March 2014 (UTC)reply
I've used the Bristol map in the infobox, however as Ashton Court is actually in
North Somerset the red blob appears well over the the left. I can't find a way to make the specific map created for this site in the infobox. Any thoughts?—
Rodtalk19:01, 6 March 2014 (UTC)reply
it's 'your' page, you have what you like. I've only written one small section. It does look better all one box though. Good! Giano(talk)19:13, 6 March 2014 (UTC)reply
I don't understand what's going on with that map/infobox. The caption says "Location in Bristol", but Ashton Court isn't in Bristol is it? Secondly the article says that Ashton Court is mainly in North Somerset, so where's the rest of it?
EricCorbett19:13, 6 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Bristol City Council own it - although it is across the
Clifton Suspension Bridge which crosses the
Avon Gorge - the boundary between the city and
North Somerset. I could try the N.Som map and see what that looks like. The mainly comment is (I think) because the house and most of the parkland is in N.Som but a small part of the surrounding parkland is within the city.—
Rodtalk19:23, 6 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Map changed & caption now says location within Somerset.
Ashton Court
Shown within Bristol (above) and England.
This might be why the original map (shown right) was used. I could ask an infobox code expert whether this can be shown instead?—
Rodtalk19:51, 6 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Yes, I read about all of that while I was en piste. I thought how lucky that in these ecumenical European times that the UK Environment Agency does not have jurisdiction over Holland - the Dutch would have been very upset. All this newts and frogs before people is ridiculous. You started the page and have done the most work, I'm seriously not bothered what you do with the infobox. Giano(talk)21:28, 6 March 2014 (UTC)reply
We do indeed use the term incandescent lamp to refer to those old light bulbs, but not to the lamp fitting as a whole, which these days is almost certainly using low-energy bulbs anyway.
EricCorbett18:30, 6 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Oh those horrible, useless things: one puts then in the portico to light guests on their way, and they are half way to Malta before it's bright enough to see the jetty. Giano(talk)19:11, 6 March 2014 (UTC)reply
You're living in the past Giano. We use LED lamps, which use even less power than those things you're talking about and get to full brightness instantly.
EricCorbett19:15, 6 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Overall, an engaging read and definitely within striking distance of GA - will jot some quibbles....
Actually we don't have a location segment in the body of the text...and in hte lead, maybe how many km west of Bristol is it
This is complicated as it is a large estate, part of which is within the city and mostly in N. Somerset. The house is approx 1.5 km from the city centre but less than 0.5km from the city boundary (ie the
River Avon, Bristol).—
Rodtalk11:32, 26 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Okay - but none of this is in the article - remember I am unfamiliar with the subject and it sorta leaves me scratching my head. I wonder whether renaming the Estate section Location and surrounds and inserting where it is in relation to Bristol as well as what surrounds it (fields? suburbia? etc.)
From the 16th to 20th centuries it was owned by the Smyth family with each generation improving and changing the house. - hmmm, not sure I like "improving" which carries a subjective tone to it - maybe "rebuilding", "renovating", "enlarging" or something more neutral? There is another instance of the verb further along too.
''he house was owned by the Choke family for some time and after that in 1506 it was sold to Sir Giles Daubeney who was a knight and a Chamberlain of Henry VII. - the middle and latter bit of this is a bit runny - do we have a rough idea of how long the Choke family owned it (to the nearest century maybe?) - and a comma and ,"after which" is a cleaner connector than the run-on and. Also a comma before "who" or (better) replace the "who" with an mdash.
Re Choke family I don't think we can do centuries as it was likely no more than 100 years, but details seem to be "lost in the mists of time". Full stop and comma added.—
Rodtalk11:18, 26 March 2014 (UTC)reply
:In the Sir Greville and Lady Emily Smyth section, you have the first and third sentences covering some of the same material - it'd be great if you could meld these into one sentence somehow.
Sir Greville Smyth inherited the property. - "inherited" is mentioned twice in sentences close together. Some way of melding these would be good too.....
I've looked again in Bond "Somerset Parks and Gardens", but doesn't have any further detail.
Greville Smyth Park was originally part of the estate & is named after him.
This says it was given to the city, but I don't think it is the same area of the estate described in the article.—
Rodtalk11:43, 26 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Make sure there are inline refs at the ends of paras.
I think these are all addressed now with the exception of the observation about the castellations in the architecture section. I have
discussed this with
User:Giano who wrote the architecture section and is much more expert in this area. He suggests that this is clear from the observation of the building. Does this have to be removed?—
Rodtalk21:23, 26 March 2014 (UTC)reply
It may be time to consider the future of the estate, and what may be done to prevent its loss. Government policy may force the council to sell it off. This is my own view, not backed up by anything specific, but selling off land is one of the things that George Osborne specifically expects councils to do. Ashton Court has been protected by many different interests for decades, some scientific, some related to public amenity, but none of these may be enough to protect the estate for public use at all, let alone in its current state, given the forced pace of reductive change in the British State. It may become a gated community for the rich, lost to the public for generations. I am not writing this to incite defence, though I think it may be needed anyway. My point is that its future may be under direct threat, and some discussion of facts as they emerge may be best placed in the main article to keep people informed. The estate has been considered for sale in the past, at least so I have been told, but no mention of any council decisions exists in the main article. In the past 20 years or so this appears not to have been an issue, but it likely will become important in the near future that these things are recorded, so people can make decisions rather than be led blind into irrreplaceable loss.
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