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St Petersfield
I've added some info about the regeneration in the St Petersfield area of Ashton. Feel free to add more or tidy up what I've added as required.
Aenimiac22:05, 1 October 2006 (UTC)reply
It certainly was a market town, and since I can't find any mention of the charter being removed or taken back, I think it still counts as a market town.
Nev1 (
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14:10, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I think the recent developments section can be split between the history and the new economy sections. What's to be done with thenightlife section? It doesn't seem very encyclopaedic. Also, although the post office closures are sourced, are they really notable?
Nev1 (
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16:55, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I've done most of that apart from the stuff about the post office. I'm not convinced it's important, the closures aren't confined to Ashton and don't have a huge impact. The information is still in the article at this point though.
I agree it could go. It certainly doesn't sit well in that section no matter what though anyway. We can always restore it again if something comes up.
The article is coming on nicely now. I've a few books I'll flick through in the next 24 hours for factoids, but other than that, it's just the notable people section that strikes me as poor now. --Jza84 |
Talk 20:17, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
(<-) Actually... I think the Landmarks subsection could be expanded into a section in its own right. We should be able to write up more about the War Memorial(s) and Parish Church, and notably, mentions of
Hartshead Pike are missing (the pike being in Ashton). Then there's the Portland Basin etc.
For Economy we could (of we have space) include a photo of
Ashton Market Hall. Simillarly, we need a Public services section (if we're to mirror
WP:UKCITIES), in which case we can use
Ashton Fire Station as an image perhaps?
I've added an image of the parish church and an old industrial landscape from geograph to wikicommons, both of which I'd like to see in the article at some point. I'll try to redraw the old Ashton coat of arms for the Governance section too. Also,
this is a good source to use for the Landmarks bit. --Jza84 |
Talk 20:56, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Good finds, hopefully we'll be able to fit a lot more pictures in, but I'm afraid there probably won't be room for all of them (I don't mean all 70 from flickr). I was thinking an image of the market hall could go at the end of the history section. There's plenty of room for expansion yet, especially the landmarks as you say. I don't think I've ever really had a go at writing a public services section, but the NHS facility go in.
Nev1 (
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21:10, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I've just realised there's nothing about cotton(!) or the town centre in the economy section. With that, we can hopefully squeeze in the picture of the market hall, then the picture of canal can go in the history section.
Nev1 (
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21:36, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I was wondering about the textiles stuff. I have M. Nevell's A Guide to the Industrial Archaeology of Greater Manchester which usually has at least something on each mill town's textile heritage - I'll have a look. I'm quite pleased with the amount of images we have to hand now actually. I really struggled for
Royton, and had to beg some photographers on Flickr to release stuff! If we're really keen, we may need to go through
this list too. :S --Jza84 |
Talk 21:49, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
The guide would be useful for a concise paragraph, by Tameside 1700-1930 will be more detailed and have more figures (possibly better for the history section). There's an incredible amount of information available, not just about Ashton but Tameside in general. Also, I don't remember an article being so easy to find decent images for! Also, I've added a bit to the economy section about the town centre so we're ready to add the image of the market hall.
Nev1 (
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21:57, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
The notable people section is now prose, I think that with a couple of sources in the geography section and a bit of expansion to the landmarks we're ready to go for GA. I should be able to sort out landmarks tonight, any thoughts?
Nev1 (
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16:55, 18 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I think we're getting close to it. We still need a Public services section (which I'm happy to write up), and the Geography section is still thinner than I'd like, but other than that we're doing well. Still haven't had chance to go through my books, but if we're pushing for GA, I'll make the extra effort to. :) --Jza84 |
Talk 18:32, 18 September 2008 (UTC)reply
We have a quote in the history section (about the Industrial Revolution) that says "most famous mills towns in the North West". Is it definately mills towns, not mill towns? --Jza84 |
Talk 20:23, 16 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I've tried to source everyone in the notable people section, those I couldn't find sources for have been moved here in case someone else can provide some:
id=Bck6oHB6_AwC&pg=PA260&lpg=PA260&dq=Ashton-under-Lyne+%22George+Formby,+Sr%22&source=web&ots=zY8G5Uqb8m&sig=rBVuYPtjNUWHwDfx_LIOVRLepfQ&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=8&ct=result here], but I don't have the book)
Vision of Britain is a great source, but I'm not sure about GENUKI, I though I'd seen it removed from some articles for being unreliable so I think it's best to use VoB.
Nev1 (
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23:20, 18 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I've done some copy editing on the history section removing some occurences of the town name as "Ashton" or "Ashton-under-lyne" seemed to be mentioned at least once, and sometimnes twice, in every sentence.
The story about the effigy isn't too clear - did this tradition begin during the lifetime of the Lord or after his death?
"The lords' consistent absence from the manor is said to have been the stimulus for Ashton's growth of a large scale domestic-based textile industry in the 17th century" This needs some explanation as it isn't clear why his absence should be the stimulus for the growth of an industry.
The name Assheton gets shortened to Ashton without comment. Is it known when this happened? If not there should be a comment the first time the spelling changes to say that by that time, it had been shortened.
Richerman (
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00:48, 20 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the copy edit. The tradition with the effigy has been given an earliest date. According to
British-history.ac.uk, the name Ashton actually pre-dates Assheton; it looks like the Lord of the Manor chose one spelling and everyone else chose another.
Nev1 (
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14:26, 20 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I have a rather nice quote at the turn of Ashton's industrial persuits, but I don't know where exactly to put it:
On his tour of
northern England in 1849, Scottish publisher Angus Reach said:
In Ashton, too, there lingers on a handful of miserable old men, the remnants of the cotton hand-loom weavers. No young persons think of pursuing such an occupation. The few who practice it were too old and confirmed in old habits, when the power-loom was introduced, to be able to learn a new way of making their bread.[1]
It's probably good stuff for the History section, but I can't see a convenient slot. Perhaps there's something about the transition to manufacturing we could find? Or something about
Luddites? --Jza84 |
Talk 23:44, 17 October 2008 (UTC)reply
How about right after "From 1773 to 1905, 75 cotton mills were established in the town"? Prefaced with a bit about machines over-taking hand-looms?
Nev1 (
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23:52, 17 October 2008 (UTC)reply
^Powell, Rob (1986), In the Wake of King Cotton, Rochdale Art Gallery, p. 35
Sports section
I'd have commented on this at the FAC, but the chances are I'm the only active editor with the relevant sources. Ashton United, under their previous name Hurst F.C. were a significant club in terms of the development of football in the Manchester area. They were the first team from the Manchester area to win an FA Cup tie, when they beat
Turton 3–0 in 1883. In 1885 they were the first winners of the
Manchester Cup, beating Newton Heath (who we now know as Manchester United) in the final. (All this can be referenced to James, Gary (2008). Manchester – A Football History. Halifax: James Ward. pp. 33–34.
ISBN978-0-9558127-0-5.)
Oldelpaso (
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20:38, 31 July 2009 (UTC)reply
I was about to add it myself (although feel free to do so yourself Oldelpaso, it would clearly help the article), but I'm wondering what's meant by "from Manchester"?
Nev1 (
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21:11, 31 July 2009 (UTC)reply
It would be teams who affiliated with the Manchester FA when it formed. In terms of modern day Greater Manchester, Bolton Wanderers won an FA Cup tie earlier than this, but at that time Bolton teams affiliated to the Lancashire FA, and had few links to clubs in Manchester and what we now call Tameside. I've now added it myself, last night fatigue gave me a mental block on how to add it without introducing a dollop of sloppy writing. Hopefully this morning its only marginally sloppy ;)
Oldelpaso (
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07:55, 1 August 2009 (UTC)reply
The Manchester FA only formed the following year, so I've changed it to "Of the teams who formed the Manchester Football Association...". Slightly forced, but avoids anachronism.
Oldelpaso (
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14:53, 3 August 2009 (UTC)reply
aerial shot
I took a few snaps of GM while flying into Manchester Airport yesterday, Ashton is one of them. If anyone wants to use it, feel free. The factories on the left are along Globe Street. The centre of the image takes in Ashton and Stalybridge. Parrotof Doom10:58, 14 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Location of Ashton
Is it me or does is it kinda look daft to spell out various distances of Ashton in relation to neighbouring towns? It takes too much space and if someone actually wants to know precisely where Ashton is, they'll use something like Google Maps. Other places across the UK (and Globe) don't go into this detail. I'd leave Manchester in there but the rest, get rid. I just checked out Stalybridge... 6 miles (or 9.7 km) north-west of Glossop. Really? Because Glossop is that well known place.
Digg17 (
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17:08, 3 February 2014 (UTC)reply
I have a souvenir of the King's visit on July 12, 1913 that talks about the visit, the town (history, photos, notable mills, advertisements, etc). I ought to scan the pages. In any case, I think it should at least be noted that he visited. Does anybody else have any information about his visit?
Cover of the official souvenir for the royal visit by the King to Ashton-under-Lyne - July 12, 1913