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Possible. For Judit Polgár the Illustrative games section is unreferenced. For Ashot Nadanian the notable games is poorly referenced and there is no reason to believe they are 'notable' as such. Also why is the Washington Post excerpt not a
WP:COPYVIO. Regards,
SunCreator(
talk)13:08, 21 October 2010 (UTC)reply
Polgar's notable games are placed in the relevant section of her chessgames.com page. So they are probably notable. As for Nadanian, only the Bologan game is in the "Notable games" section of chessgames.com. But the Wu Shaobin game is well-known and has been published in several places, in particular in the "Genius in the Background" book by Karolyi. The game with Gurgenidze was published with Nadanian's annotations in chessville.com and he considers it as "one of my most memorable". Not sure about copivio (Washington Post). Looks OK to me, as it's just a small excerpt and author's name is mentioned. --
MrsHudson (
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13:49, 21 October 2010 (UTC)reply
Would it be possible to give more background on his family ? Has he sisters or brothers ? What was the profession of his parents ? Just a bit of context...
SyG (
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13:51, 28 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Would it be possible to know if his opening inventions have impacted chess ? I mean, are there reputable champions that use the Nadanian invention, or is it just a self-inflicted pain ? I think the notability is different.
SyG (
talk)
14:25, 28 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Unfortunately I could not find any information about his parents, sisters or brothers.
I have viewed the article once again and with the additions you have done I think it is fine, so I support A-class.
SyG (
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14:04, 6 March 2011 (UTC)reply
Support. I have contributed a bit to the article. It has had an amazing improvement thanks to MrsHudson. After the copyediting by SyG, there seems to be little left to change.
I Do Care (
talk)
11:48, 12 January 2011 (UTC)reply
All remarks and concerns expressed by the reviewers have been dealt with appropriately. More than three approvals have been gathered (
Yegishe,
SyG,
I Do Care). So I shall close this review and pass the article to A-class.
SyG (
talk)
14:15, 6 March 2011 (UTC)reply
I'll mark Done comments when I think they're resolved, highlight Not done any that are unresolved when most others are done, and strike out any of comments that I later decide are mistaken. I'll sign each of my comments, so we can see who said what - please do the same.
I'll mark the review {{inuse}} when I'm working on it, as edit conflicts are frustrating. If you think I've forgotten to remove {{inuse}}, please leave a message at my Talk page. Please free to use {{inuse}} with your own signature when you're working.
Coverage
Y I note that Nadanian "possesses enormous chess potential, but he was not able to find enough time to work professionally on his chess" (lead and "Playing strength and style"). Why could Nadanian not support himself through chess and how did he support himself - especially as he now has a family? --
Philcha (
talk)
11:45, 2 April 2011 (UTC)reply
Structure
Y In most chess bios, "Notable games" is the last section as it can be quite long, and I hope this article will have more games in time. --
Philcha (
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11:45, 2 April 2011 (UTC)reply
Y "Born on 19 September 1972 in Baku, Azerbaijan SSR, then Soviet Union ..." is ambiguous for younger readers born since the fall of the Soviet Union - it may mean Nadanian was born in Baku but moved immediately to (some other part of) the Soviet Union. How about e.g. "... which then was part of the Soviet Union ..."? --
Philcha (
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11:45, 2 April 2011 (UTC)reply
The article says "In one of these park-battles he reminded he had a chance to play ...", which can mean that he missed the opportunity. How about e.g. "He remembers that in one of these park-battles he played ..." --
Philcha (
talk)
21:49, 6 April 2011 (UTC)reply
Done. (moved "lives in Yerevan" to the "family" section and added source)
Y The link cited for "European Individual Chess Championship in Saint-Vincent 2000",
Ruschess.com, says "ruschess.com expired on 03/24/2011 and is pending renewal or deletion." You should see if there's a back-up at Internet Archive, see instructions at
User:Philcha#Tools. If you can't find a back-up at Internet Archive or find another source, you must remove the content, per
WP:V. --
Philcha (
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11:45, 2 April 2011 (UTC)reply
That's not how to do it. url= should have the initial, dead link; add archiveurl= url of archived version and archivedate= date from Internet Archive's "calendar" from this source. --
Philcha (
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15:44, 6 April 2011 (UTC)reply
Y Before asking for a GA review, you should use
User:Dispenser/Checklinks to check for dead links and links that no longer contain what you expect (usually flagged by 301 or 302 redirect codes). I recommend you make a copy of
User:Philcha#Tools, either in your own page or at
WP:CHESS. By the way, ruschess.com passes User:Dispenser/Checklinks but is unusable - nothing's perfect :-( --
Philcha (
talk)
11:45, 2 April 2011 (UTC)reply
Y "He likes to create fresh, atypical positions straight from the opening, often employing bizarre maneuvers to achieve his goals. Uncommon chess openings have always been a part of his repertoire (e.g. Sokolsky Opening,[28] Budapest Gambit)" appears to an editor's comment not supported by citations from good sources - see
Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable_sources. --
Philcha (
talk)
16:01, 2 April 2011 (UTC)reply
The article says: Tibor Karolyi devoted a chapter to him in his 2009 book Genius in the Background and jokingly called him "Kasparov's Half-Brother", implying not only that both Kasparov and Nadanian had the same trainer in Alexander Shakarov, but also the similarities of their playing styles. In particular, Karolyi emphasizes their ability to implement effective ideas on the edge of the board, attributing this to the influence of their common chess "father". So the common chess "father" is
Alexander Shakarov. --
MrsHudson (
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18:15, 2 April 2011 (UTC)reply
Y I think "Nadanian has contributed analysis to many chess publications throughout the world including the Chess Informant, New In Chess Yearbook, 64, Kaissiber, Szachy Chess" needs citation(s). --
Philcha (
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18:29, 2 April 2011 (UTC)reply
He has definetely contributed for above mentioned publications but I do know how it should be cited. If for example he has written several articles for NIC, which of them should be cited? --
MrsHudson (
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18:20, 6 April 2011 (UTC)reply
Y In "Having graduated from the chess department of Armenian State Institute of Physical Culture in 1994,[5] Nadanian carries out an activity of a trainer":
Y The phrasing is clumsy. How about e.g. "After Nadanian graduated from the Armenian State Institute of Physical Culture in 1994, he became a chess trainer"? --
Philcha (
talk)
18:29, 2 April 2011 (UTC)reply
Y In "He is the youngest Honoured Coach of Armenia[41] (the title awarded when he was 26 years old)", you should re-phrase to avoid the parentheses. --
Philcha (
talk)
18:29, 2 April 2011 (UTC)reply
Y I don't think
Armenian Chess Players: Ashot Nadanian is a "reliable source" in WP terms. Blogs are tricky - some are entirely
WP:SPS (some nobody's opinion), while some publishers of major newspapers etc. use blogs to show content they can't accommodate in the print editions, and the lead section is by a recognised journalist (so the journalist's content is "reliable source" but reader's comments are not). Bottom line: you need another source to say that Nadanian coached Davit G. Petrosian. --
Philcha (
talk)
18:29, 2 April 2011 (UTC)reply
The format of moves, crucial point and final position is OK for 2 games, but will have to change if more are added. The usual format is a short description and a link to the playable game at
chessgames.com, but at present chessgames.com has nothing about Nadanian. I note than
Wu Shaobin–Nadanian, Singapore 2006 is at chess.com, so perhaps chess.com may have Nadanian–Sakaev, ICC 2001. --
Philcha (
talk)
20:57, 2 April 2011 (UTC)reply
Only registered users can use the ICC searchable database. When you type "sea April24-1915 K-Sakaev" the program shows all the games played by Nadanian and Sakaev. --
MrsHudson (
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21:08, 2 April 2011 (UTC)reply
I have restored these two ChessBase links, as they are different and only second page supports "a hippophile chess composer". --
MrsHudson (
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18:02, 3 April 2011 (UTC)reply
Y "He is particularly attracted by the problems, where in a final position white wins with a king and knights only" - the 7 examples on that pages show white winning with a king and knights only, but those are just 7 of Nadanian's 50-plus puzzles, and the page's text does not comment on this. --
Philcha (
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09:04, 3 April 2011 (UTC)reply
Y "Whilst two knights cannot force checkmate against a lone king, they can do so in some exceptional cases when the defender has other pieces and even a turn to move". --07:17, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
How you'd fancy including the "Whiskas" jokes between Nadanian and Levon Aronian (a possible world champion!) -
Interview with International Master Ashot Nadanian. It's within
WP:BLP, illustrate part of Nadanian's relationships - and WP needs humour. In case case the section should be re-titled e.g. "Relationships" - Nadanian seems a likeable and humourous guy. --
Philcha (
talk)
11:19, 3 April 2011 (UTC)reply
I suggest re-titling the section to "Relationships". Then in a new para e.g. Nadanian said that during the Linares Open of 1998 his friend
Levon Aronian joked that Nadanian ate cat food. When in 2004 Nadanian named his daughter Kiti, Aronian replied, "See? I told you that it was 'Whiskas'!'" --
Philcha (
talk)
07:45, 8 April 2011 (UTC)reply
What if we create subsection of "Personal life"? (along with "Other chess activities and hobbies" and "Family") Maybe we could also use the following info from an interview: I have perfect relations with virtually all Armenian top players. But the closest are Levon Aronian, Gabriel Sargissian, Ara Minasian, Varuzhan Akobian, and Andranik Matikozyan. And then give "Whiskas" story. --
MrsHudson (
talk)
17:53, 8 April 2011 (UTC)reply
Thanks, MrsHudson and SyG - and the kibitzers at
WP:CHESS.
I'm very pleased to say that this article meets the
Good Article criteria: it provides good coverage, is neutral and well-referenced, is clearly-written, complies with the parts of
WP:MOS required for a
GA and uses appropriate images that have good captions and comply with WP's policies on images. Many thanks for the work you've put into this, and for your prompt response to my comments - it's been a pleasure working with you.
If you've got 2 or more articles through GA reviewers, please try to review as many articles as you have nominated for GA review. --
Philcha (
talk)
19:09, 9 April 2011 (UTC)reply
Thanks Philcha for this thorough and balanced review, it's always good to have you around ! Greetings also to MrsHudson for this great achievement !
SyG (
talk)
08:31, 10 April 2011 (UTC)reply
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