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Oppose What "reformation of/in art in general"? The subject is clear, though somewhat less so following the nominator's undiscussed and frankly stupid move of the article from
The Reformation and art to
Reformation and art. This is some combination of sharp practice and poor understanding of English, I can't work out what. The article also deals with the Counter-Reformation, so alternative titles would need to reflect this somehow. This editor has a history of ill-thought-out undiscussed moves, so I am glad to see he is at least beginning to use the proper procedure, at least sometimes. It should go back to
The Reformation and art or maybe
Art in the Reformation and Counter-Reformation. Ideally the nominator should be banned from any undiscussed moves.
Johnbod (
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02:54, 6 January 2016 (UTC)reply
To both: If you support the proposed new name, please explain why you think the rather larger part of the article devoted to the Catholic Counter-Reformation should not be mentioned in the title.
Johnbod (
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04:14, 22 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Neither title mentions the Counter-Reformation. "The Reformation" is the Protestant one. But there's no reason Counter-Reformation art can't be covered by either title.--
Cúchullaint/
c14:55, 22 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Of course, you haven't actually looked at the article which, I repeat, gives more space to the Catholic Counter-Reformation. To say you haven't answered my question is an understatement. In the circumstances the proposed title is very POV; I've suggested an alternative above.
Johnbod (
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16:04, 22 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Nonsense. As I said, neither the current title nor proposed one mentions the Counter-Reformation, there's no reason the Counter-Reformation can't be covered in an article on the Reformation and art. Your proposed title is a possibility but it's very long.--
Cúchullaint/
c16:10, 22 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Move. I support some sort of rename as the current title is contrary to
WP:THE and at first glance the original proposal seems fine. However, Johnbod (who appears to have some expertise in the topic area and has written the bulk of the article) has expressed some reasonable concerns with that proposal, so I am happy so support his alternative of
Art in the Reformation and Counter-Reformation.
Jenks24 (
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09:05, 24 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Thanks! It would be helpful if, as nominator, you could modify the proposal at the top, as many people seem not to be reading all the discussion (or the article).
Johnbod (
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17:31, 29 January 2016 (UTC)reply
SupportArt in the Protestant Reformation. Reads better. " and the Counter-Reformation" is wordy and unnecessary. Art of the Catholic Counter-Reformation would have a place under the shorter title. "Counter" begs: counter to what? Catholic Counter-Reformation art existed simply to reflect Art in the Protestant Reformation, then it is much the same subject. --
SmokeyJoe (
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20:50, 29 January 2016 (UTC)reply
I've rarely heard so much nonsense in one of these discussions, and that's saying a lot. Have you tried actually reading the article?
Johnbod (
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06:47, 30 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Oppose any move from the current title ("The Reformation and art"). I can accurately guess what the article is about from the title, and I'm neither a historian nor an artist.
Srnec (
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17:31, 30 January 2016 (UTC)reply
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