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Article needs to be broken into sections before a "C" class, or higher, is given. Otherwise it needs to remain at "start". Maybe a section on "Early life", "Education", and "Career", etc.
Pknkly (
talk)
14:51, 2 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Dissertation and wife's name
The sources conflict somewhat on the title of Ross's dissertation and the spelling of Bee's name. I went with what I thought was best verified, but if you find a better source, please do pass it along. czar♔18:41, 21 September 2013 (UTC)reply
With the dissertation, I went with the one that was published later but appears to have been argued sooner (1929), which is also the one cited to be his dissertation by the footnoted source. With Bee, the current spelling is the one also used by OSU in his obituary, so I'm going to rule the one source that differs as an anomaly. czar♔14:29, 28 September 2013 (UTC)reply
"Ross returned to Chicago ...": When did he return? This should be dated.
1922, but not sure why it needs to be included in the lede. It should be clear that his travel to Chicago was associated with attending graduate school and elaboration is in the article. czar♔16:27, 15 November 2013 (UTC)reply
Other events in the lead are dated – I thought this one should be added for completeness, but if you'd rather leave it out, that's fine with me. —
Bruce1eetalk10:27, 16 November 2013 (UTC)reply
Early life
"Ross was born ... in Chicago to Ukrainian-Jewish immigrants": Are the names of his parents known?
✓ "... since there was no public library": I suggest "in Odesa" be added to the end of this sentence.
"His geometry teacher ...": I take it Ross was attending school at this stage, perhaps the name of the school and when he started there should be added.
It was a makeshift school run during the famine—I didn't feel the details were worth including, and there is no explicit attendance record (remember these are poor peasants in a time of famine) czar♔16:27, 15 November 2013 (UTC)reply
"Many universities were closed due to the famine ...": What famine is this? I think details should be provided here.
✓ "Ross became Leonard Eugene Dickson's research assistant after graduating.": Was this after obtaining his B.S. degree? It's a little confusing saying this before the statement that said he had graduated.
"He did not pay tuition after his first quarter": What "quarter" is this referring to?
2001, in the source. Only mentioned the interview to show that it wasn't fact-checked in a secondary source, but I didn't think more needed to be said czar♔16:59, 15 November 2013 (UTC)reply
✓ "In an interview, he said he advocated for a student, the first black woman in the South to receive a master's degree in mathematics, whose exception let the university begin to admit black students even though the idea was largely unpopular.": I suggest rewording to something like: "In an interview, he said he advocated for a student, who went on to become the first black woman in the South to receive a master's degree in mathematics. This exception led to the university admitting black students, even though the idea was largely unpopular at the time.
Ross Program brochure: Is there a date for this brochure?
Wasn't dated, but I could add that it's "c. 2007" since that's when the book was published, though I think it's a bit of a stretch czar♔16:59, 15 November 2013 (UTC)reply
✓ I think the sentence starting "While at Notre Dame in 1947, Ross began a mathematics program ..." is too long, and should be split at "which expanded in 1957".
"the act of personal discovery through observation and experimentation": this appears to be a statement made by Ross, and should be preceded with something like: "what he described as".
That section says that only a full sentence quote must be attributed. Since it's a fragment, it's clear that it is using the ref's language czar♔14:24, 16 November 2013 (UTC)reply
I'm still not sure about this one.
WP:INTEXT states that "In-text attribution should be used with direct speech (a source's words between quotation marks or as a block quotation)", but as
MOS:QUOTE#Attribution seems to suggest that in-text attribution is only necessary for full sentence quotes (as long as there is an in-line citation), I'll leave it up to you. —
Bruce1eetalk10:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)reply
"in the 1964 summer", "in the summers 1975–1978": See
WP:SEASON for use of seasons.
I'm already familiar with the guideline—since the program is referenced as a "summer program" throughout the article, the mentioned usage is consistent, though not the MoS's ideal. Not sure how else "summer program" could be put without losing its meaning, so I'd argue that it has seasonal reference. czar♔16:59, 15 November 2013 (UTC)reply
His programs were called "summer programs", that's fine as it is, but where "summer" is used on its own, technically it should be qualified with something like "US summer". But perhaps it's ok as it is as it's clear this is all taking place in the US. —
Bruce1eetalk10:27, 16 November 2013 (UTC)reply
Retirement and death
How about moving his honors and awards into a separate, bulleted section?
Thanks for all your changes – I've responded to some of your replies above. This is an interesting article, and I see you've done quite a bit of work on it, well done! I still need to do a final proof read and check the sources, although at first glance they all seem fine. Just one suggestion about the lead: perhaps it could be expanded a bit to list a few of the awards he received, and the legacy he left behind. —
Bruce1eetalk10:35, 16 November 2013 (UTC)reply
The referencing and sources all appear fine. I'm leaving the quote with no in-text attribution as is because of the lack of clarity at
MOS:QUOTE#Attribution and
WP:INTEXT as to whether it should be in-text attributed (see above). Otherwise everything else seems fine, and I've promoted the article to GA. Thank you for all your hard work on it. —
Bruce1eetalk07:00, 18 November 2013 (UTC)reply
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with
the layout style guideline.
2b.
reliable sources are
cited inline. All content that
could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).