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I'm not sure how to make a ref for "A shrine to these warriors lies in the Mausoleum of the Arbiter, located on High Charity." because it appears in a cutscene of
Halo 2 preceding the level "The Storm", not a quote. Would this suffice?
James086Talk |
Email13:29, 4 December 2007 (UTC)reply
I wouldn't. Currently we don't know if its actual cutscene footage or promotional, or in what capacity the Arbiter may appear; once we have more information we can add it in under appearances.
Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (
talk)12:53, 7 October 2008 (UTC)reply
I've pulled that section on grounds of
original research. There's no actual confirmation within Cole Protocol that Thel becomes the Supreme Commander. Page 349 of the book does specify that he becomes a shipmaster of a crusier within the Fleet of Particular Justice, and while I agree that there is a better then good chance he does become the Supreme Commander, without actual confirmation extrapolating that he becomes the Supreme Commander is original research. If someone wants to contest this, I would request a source specifically citing that he becomes the Supreme Commander.
Peptuck (
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03:15, 12 December 2008 (UTC)reply
I agree; having read the book, while it seems the author intends to imply that The Arbiter is Thel, at this point there is no definite confirmation of this assumption. Further action should be delayed before we find out more.
I will second that. There is no concrete connection. However, given the name we can positively say that Thel is related to the Spec Ops Leader,
Rtas 'Vadumee, who was in that fleet and (as
Halo 3 shows) does have experience as a shipmaster. -
Fearless Son (
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18:51, 25 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Actually it's not opinion. It's fact. 'Vadum isn't related to Vadam. Their names are similar, but so are the names Roberts and Robertson. Just because a name is similar does NOT mean they're related. Thel Vadam and the Arbiter in Halo 2/Halo 3 might not be the same people, but it's heavily implied. Why else would they include the fact he was assigned to the Fleet of Particular Justice? And don't just jump to conclusions that they're related just because they have similar names and both are/were at one point a shipmaster. It's in no way implied that Thel Vadam and Rtas 'Vadum are related or the same person. —Preceding
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174.130.227.76 (
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21:03, 25 March 2009 (UTC)reply
That proves the Arbiter in Halos 2 and 3 is named Thel 'Vadam (Thel 'Vadamee before the Great Schism), and again, I'm telling you he's NOT related to Rtas 'Vadum (Rtas 'Vadumee before the Great Schism). —Preceding
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174.130.10.41 (
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15:32, 1 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Vadamee has also been recently confirmed by Tobias S. Buckell as well. A French Halo website interviewed him
See
WP:RS. This site doesn't have a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. There's no one vouching for this site. Who's to say they didn't just make it up or mangle Bucknell's comments? --
Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (
talk)23:09, 21 June 2009 (UTC)reply
First, check the categories that
Master Chief (Halo) belong to; some are themselves subcategories of the categories here, and we generally don't list both a category and its subcategory because it's actually redundant. Second, each page stands on its own merits, so if you're removing categories only to conform to another article, which you think should actually have more categories, the correct solution is to discuss it on the talk page of the other article. If, however, you think that the categories should be removed because they don't belong, period, that's another story. —
TKD::Talk20:40, 28 February 2009 (UTC)reply
I did consider that, but it seemed like such a weird one that I figured it must be true. We don't know much about Elite naming conventions. Maybe Shirley is a male name in their society. *shrugs* Of course, I like a good conspiracy and maybe that's polluting my grasp of the situation. --
Thejadefalcon (
talk)
12:52, 26 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Maybe a drawing or something...if it's possible.
Mr. Wayne (
talk) 21:59, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, it does feel like if possible, the picture of an arbiter should be the one considered THE Arbiter. — Preceding
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73.197.214.29 (
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16:25, 29 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Arbeit is German for "work".
wikt:Arbeit,
Arbeit discuss this. The latter is a dabpage. It also appears as part of the phrase
Arbeit macht frei with significant resonance. Not sure whether the designers were cognizant of this and how or whether to introduce this into the article. —
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I think Thel 'Vadam should get his own page, mainly because of how important he is, He was the first Arbiter introduce in the Halo series, and the main one.
114.75.148.198 (
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21:43, 4 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose This article needs a move to
The Arbiter in order to refocus it entirely on Thel 'Vadam (under his
WP:COMMONNAME). He is the only character who is notable here, the others are tangential at best and should only get a passing mention, if any at all besides "Arbiter is a rank also given to other Covenant").
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
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07:16, 5 May 2023 (UTC)reply
I should note that, ironically, in the article's current state even the notability of The Arbiter himself is not demonstrated at all. However, the books Halo and Philosophy: Intellect Evolved and The World Is Born From Zero: Understanding Speculation and Video Games, which are not included in the article, have some significant coverage on him that gets him, at least, past the notability threshold.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
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07:56, 5 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment I have totally removed all mentions of the other non-notable Arbiters from this article, so I think this split is now moot. If they are to be mentioned, it could be at
Covenant (Halo) instead.
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07:53, 14 May 2023 (UTC)reply
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Requested move 5 May 2023
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Oppose. The article, as it reads today, covers several characters known as arbiters. The current RM request seems to stem from a desire to refocus this article on only Thel 'Vadam; see discussion above. Unless and until that happens, it does not make sense to have the singular
The Arbiter as an article title.
162 etc. (
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13:40, 5 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Even leaving aside the question of the other characters described, the character's name isn't "the Arbiter" but "Arbiter", as it's a title or rank akin to
Master Chief—adding the definite article might be common usage, but it's also not correct, and there's no compelling reason to go against
WP:NCAN here.
Der Wohltemperierte Fuchstalk18:06, 5 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Master Chief is not normally called "The Master Chief". "The Arbiter" as a nickname is to be distinguished from the in-universe rank of Arbiter. While they are related, it's not the same thing.
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Re: Refocusing the article
@
David Fuchs: My edits removing the other Arbiters were reverted per "no consensus" but with no other reason given, so I'd like to ask for what the justification is for making the article about the rank of Arbiter rather than the main Halo character. The character who appears in Halo 2/3/5 appears to be the sole notable Arbiter in the franchise.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
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16:48, 14 May 2023 (UTC)reply
That's how this article has been for more than a decade, and it's how it went through FAC. No reason is needed besides "no consensus for a significant change to the article". The article doesn't spend a ton of time on the other characters, there's no undue weight consideration.
Der Wohltemperierte Fuchstalk22:25, 14 May 2023 (UTC)reply
2009 FA standards were not nearly the same as they are now. It's not the idea of being undue, but the notion that the rank of Arbiter is not what is mentioned in RS. They are almost entirely referring to the Thel 'Vadam character. If I moved
Commander Shepard to "Spectre", or
Master Chief (Halo) to SPARTAN, people would rightfully revert me.
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04:38, 15 May 2023 (UTC)reply