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<<<Intranetusa>>> I'd like to say that in my opinion, this Sino/Korea - Japan tension thing is the dumbest shit in history.
Piccolo 66.68.34.174 02:55, 2 May 2005 (UTC) \\this article was waaaaay more neutral than I expected it to be; but THis is actually a bad article. Whether to attribute it to bias or mere idiocy is just wrong, because Ive realized that wikipedia actually does do a pristine job with regard to the facts. SOme edits will take care of this though. It contains some common misconceptions, and uses the "high end" of statistics only with regards to how much damage japan did in WW2
I've glimpsed through the article. I don't really think it was biased one way or another. Sense this is such a emotional subject I hope people are careful of what they write.-Usni
Poo-T, are you sure about what you know about Korean history and the facts in the past? Do you think that you are unbiased to edit any articles relating to Korean history? I might see Japan the same way as you do about Korea. (a Korean student)
I know I'm not a God :P) Then, could you write the reason to write to the top of the talk, not related to the other discussions, without logging in, without a timestamp. And I'm not a God, so I can't understand what you want with me. If you want to change the text I wrote, please specify the part. Is this the page you want to change? What we can do is discuss with resources. As you know, there are many records about Korea in Japan, so discussing between Koreans and Japanese would make a better description. -- Poo-T 6 Nov 2004
Olivier, I deleted a part of writing about Korea, for it included personal opinions.Could you also point out which writings should be rewritten? You can help the cleaning up process with discussions.-- Poo-T 11 Aug 2004
This article needs to have something way back, more comprehensive, like the 1895 war with Japan and World War II. Anti-Japanese sentiment wasnt a product of the 1990s economic gap. Wareware 08:33, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)
That, of course goes in the history section, which is not written yet. Also, it isn't explicitly stated but the current "China" section does not refer to Republic of China, but instead to People's Republic of China. Thus it wouldn't make sense to include them under the "China" section. Revth 03:17, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
This piece is at most parts badly written, and its overall tone is racist. In my humble opinion, it should be deleted or fully rewritten.
Whenever anything about racism involving the Japanese is written, someone comes out claiming "racism" with no facts to back up their claims. Would you care to back them up with facts instead of "feeling" or maybe contribute about how the Japanese were discriminated against in your country? On the Asian Cup 2004, I have pictures, beside links already attached, that proves what I wrote. In fact, I have yet to write on many facts, like "A good Jap is a dead Jap" that an American general said, similar to "A good Indian is a dead Indian" or renaming of "Jap Street" in Texas. Revth 12:53, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Parts of "I am a Japanese" section are near incoherent. Should minor (and seemingly unsubstantiated) instances of vaguely anti-Japanese feelings be included? The general tone of that section, and to a lesser extent the entire article, is rather hostile. FriedBunny 10:17, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The author alleges that Jiang Zemin, Deng Xiaoping, Mao Zedong et al have slandered Japan and sought to improve their political standing by spreading anti-Japanese sentiment, without any scrap of proof. He seems convinced that they are trying to cover up their wrongdoings by demonizing the Jpanaese.
The article also lacks a consideration for the the hard facts of the matter; that Japan did behave in a barbaric matter, as the Nanjing Massacre, and the Three All Campaign (Kill All, Burn All, Destroy All) in the later part of the Sino-Japanese War, not to mention the biological warfare experiments (such as Unit 731) on Chinese POWs.
The author further alleges that a New York Times writer has spread inflammatory comments about Japan without even providing concrete evidence, or naming said writer.
If the author has evidence for the alleged denial of services to the Japanese National Team in the Asian Cup 2004, please post them. An external link or a (Credited) picture would be appreciated.
Finally, the author seems to think that every Chinese, every Korean of both factions, behave in an anti-Japanese manner. This is not true at all! Racism is not unversal; not all chinese or Koreans or Americans behave in this manner.
Excuse me for interrupting, but I do not understand why you think that Koreans "sneer" at Chinese and Japanese for eating from a hand-held rice bowl. I'm a Korean (or at least half-Korean), and I've seen a lot of East Asians eat like that, and not once did I have a negative impression about them. In fact, even Koreans, when in a hurry, eat rice while holding their bowl. What, is this another stereotype Japanese racists have created to humiliate their Koreans neighbors or this a random guess? In my personal opinion, it's probably both.
P.S. "It is not his fault that he is behaving like a racist, but the fault of society that doesn't teach torelance." Where do you get your obviously biased views? I'm sure the Japanese society is not one renowned for admission of guilt or telling the truth, as one can see when viewing a whitewashed Japanese history textbook.
Tolerance?!! The Japanese don't even know the meaning of that word. Look how many instances of ethnic discrimination occur when Japanese (and racist) employers decline to employ a naturalized citizen of foreign ethnicity. At least Korean employers hire naturalized citizens. Not only that, even prime ministers in Japan speak publicly about the "pureness" of their people and scorn etnic minorities. And now, they want to talk about "tolerance in other countries". Now, that's what I call BS. Leonhart
中華 (zhonghua) is just the name for China, coming from 中國 (lit: "middle country"), a long-used name for China and 華夏, the valley that Chinese civilization grew out of. I doubt that Chinese who say zhonghua really think that they're in the "center of the rich", anymore than any Japanese think that 日本 (Japan) is the source of the rising sun. Neither do Chinese think that Americans (美國) are all beautiful, or that English (英國) are all heroes. Sheesh! Bringing up the name of China has no relevancy to the discussion, nor does the name of China cause Chinese people to be racist. --
Yuje 05:19, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Any mention of anti-Japanese sentiment in the US must include a mention (and a link) to the Attack on Pearl Harbor. Many people still hold this grudge, especially older people. -- Feitclub 05:29, Sep 17, 2004 (UTC)
易性革命 does not mean that current government's need to mudsling past government in order to justify its existance. It means that when a government fails to play its role in the stability of the country, a new government is justified to wage a conflict and replace the previous government. It is a classic example of "官逼民反", as first witnessed in the Shang-Zhou dynasty change. Very different from what's said in the article, therefore I deleted it. Wareware 05:15, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Now this is getting really really stupid. Some of you people really over-emphasize japanese influence in Chinese politics. You wrote that Deng and company resorted to teaching the greatness of CCP and China and bashing Japan for their own political gain. Where on earth did you get that from? In fact, Deng did quite the opposite by abandoning socialism and moving towards capitalist reforms. And at no point did his government ever try to justify the killings in the Cultural Revolution by diverting it to japanese brutality. He even sort of denounced Mao by saying that it was a mistake that the Chinese people paid dearly for it. The movement of anti-japanese sentiment didnt begin in earnest until the late 70s to 80s when the issue of Daoyutai was brought to the spotlight and many Chinese (both taiwan ROC and china PRC) overseas engaged in passionate protests in "保釣運動". And why the hell would Jiang Zemin use this sentiment to consolidate his power? What's the connection and practical application of it? It seems that whoever wrote it just put down whatever spurious reason that came to his thick skull. The recent surge in anti-japanese sentiment is trigged not by the government's diversions or whatever, but by the nationalist feelings in many Chinese students. These students are different from the generation of the Tiannmen protests in that they are very natiionalistic and have confidence in their country. In the fifteen years after the protests, China grew politically and economically with stability and that provided the Chinese with a nationalistic feeling, that China is going to reclaim its status as a great regional power again, something that's eluded it for the past 150 years of war, foreign invasion and internal strife. That's where anti-japanese sentiments come from, not from government-directed pretexts for presumed internal weakness, but from a genuine sense of Chinese nationalism, stability, and bright prospects that the Chinese look forward to. This is why I deleted the whole dumbass and incoherent paragraph regarding the CCP's role in anti-japanese sentiment. The numbnut who wrote it really needs a reality check. Wareware 06:34, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I wrote a major revision on the US section because the previous version is just too damn stupid and uninformative. None of the examples fit with so-called anti-Japanese sentiment, because these things can be said just about any country and there's no specific evidence that it's "anti-Japan." They are more or less focused on the reporter's ignorance instead of observations of a national trend. They add nothing to the article and just look like a bunch of random ramblings by somebody who just scour the net to find whatever article as remotely related as possible. That's why I did a major revision focusing on the cause, rogression, and concrete examples that are definitely anti-Japanese, instead of lousy stuff that's patched up to fill up space. I think we should restructure the article into the history and examples for each particular country (certainly China and the US have their own reasons) instead of skimming the root causes and then coming up with spurious and random incidences and pointing the blame on victim countries. . Wareware 08:50, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
In the US artictle the writer mentions outsourcing. Outsourcing is when a business process (tire and wheel assembly) is moved to a company outside of the parent coporation (could be a foreign company or not). In the 80s companys were moving entire factiories over seas but they were still owned by the same coorporation. This is not outsourcing. -- Mitrebox 07:45, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This article really doesn't look particularly biased to me. I won't remove the 'disputed neutrality' box, since I haven't made any major changes, but I think I might come back and get rid of that soon. I realize it's a rather emotional topic, but this article seems to have been handled rather well. LordAmeth 17:25, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I think we really need a new article explaining the Japanese textbooks controversy. I'm surprised that such an article doesn't already exist. It's a major bone of contention between Japan, China, and Korea, and one of the major reasons for the bad relations between the countries, and it comes up year after year, and it's appeared again in the news recently. -- Yuje 11:01, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
EVen that article isnt perfect; or instance, 300,000 is the statistic touted by the CCP; everywhere else the estimate is a low of 40,000 and a hight of 200,000 (statistics in the china was are very imprecise). I know statistics are never accurate but communist sympathizers can get a lot done by "trimming" every here and there. Yeah, i guess more anti-communist bias from me, but my bias is at least based on fact.
About the Asian Cup 2004 Final, this article only mentioned the "mbassador's car was severely damaged", but does not have a word about he cause, which is the Japanese team scored a goal in the match by hand!
+This article appears to me to be rather disparate, badly constructed and totally unquotable (mostly due to its lack of competent editorship). But I find little that suggests anything blatantly biased or uninformed. As someone had said in the above section, it would really be desirable if some international body would intervene, just to clarify the facts from the disputed facts. Anyway, from my own experience, --although I have no academic experience in Japan-- it has been difficult to acquire reliable sources in the Japanese language (the reasons for this is complex and not entirely out of convenience for the right-wing, atrocity-denying faction of the Japanese--which has always been minute). However, the task is not made a whole lot easier by searching in the English language either.
It would be ideal for the integrity of the article to focus primarily on the anti-Japanese sentiments and their "reasons," rather than anything claiming that the Japanese (government) had done this and that to "compensate," as such; I think moving that to a new article dealing with the post-war Japanese acts regarding wartime atrocities, would be most beneficial. (or even included in the history of modern Japan) I think the move to post a new article concerning the problematic Japanese textbooks has been entirely successful.
All in all, this is an article of acceptable neutrality. But it is in dire need of some definitive editorship. RuiInaba 14:09, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
+Would it also be informative to include here, the incarceration and stripping of property of ethnic Japanese' during the war in North America?
RuiInaba
14:15, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
I have partly rewritten the section on anti-Japanese sentiment in China. I do not regard this as a perfect edit and people should feel free to rewrite it. I will be frank and admit that it does not make any appeal to objective sources. The main focus of changes is:
Bathrobe 10 August 2005
Should something be said about the Chinese Boxer rebellion? They were anti-foreigners, including Japan. Weren't they? -- Error 00:43, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Were the Boxers "invaders" or anything that can be compared to the Japanese imperialists? Though I understand that Boxers may fit into the context of the topics regarding "anti-[some particular people]", but we must keep in mind that western imperialists, including the Japanese, had already invaded China and took over large parts of it BEFORE the Boxer rebellion. Spartan
I have added a section on the political manipulation of anti-Japanese sentiment. I have done so because there is a need to address the common perception that everything that happens in China is orchestrated by that 'Commie dictatorship', which is surprisingly prevalent in some parts of the West. This section should be regarded as a draft. I have been unable to avoid being 'weaselly'. If you disagree with it or feel that what is said does not have sufficient basis, please edit accordingly.
Bathrobe 05:58, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
The following statement is incorrect. I will remove it within one week unless somebody provides references for it.
The Dutch generally did not blame the Japanese for their loss of colonies but they blamed the Indonesians "insurgents" like Sukarno who collaborated with the Japanese, in a similar vein as the Dutch traitors who colloborated with the Germans during the Nazi occupation of the Netherlands.
There was/is anti-Japanese sentiment in the Netherlands for two different reasons
Andries 14:26, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
I was curious what 續日本紀 reads as. It's certainly not Kojiki or Nihonshoki, and I cannot seem to find any English-language sites that refer to it, or even Japanese sites that give the yomikata. I think it would be nice, if we're going to include kanji in the article, to include the pronunciation as well. Besides, if it were, for example, Kojiki, it would be much more useful to simply write "Kojiki" than "Chonicle of Japan" or "Chronicle of Ancient Matters", don't you think? Thanks. LordAmeth 11:59, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
It reads Shoku Nihongi, but this is written in its Kyūjitai form. In Shinjitai it would be 続日本紀.-- Ryoske 05:10, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
As a Sinologist, I find the "sinocentric" theory to be an excellent example of bad scholarship. I admit it's probably a theory that some subscribe to, but it's worth adding in the reasons why it's such a bad mischaracterization of China during the medieval times. The current section almost makes it sound like this laughable concept actually has some truth to it, which is very far from reality. Xuanwu 04:47, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
The section on Sinocentrism seems to be causing persistent problems. The current article is about anti-Japanese sentiment. "Sinocentrism" on the part of the Chinese is cited by some (mainly Japanese) people as a reason for this. This article needs to note this perception, while at the same time stepping back to say that this is an "alleged" factor that some people believe in. There is no real need to go into detail as to whether Sinocentrism existed or not. That is a much more complex issue and there is no need to play it out on this page.
That is why I deleted the paragraph that was pasted in by User Bandaparte, which cited two quite flawed "counterarguments" from the Sinocentrism article itself. Adding these counterarguments and can only lead to further counterarguments, ad infinitim.
I feel that it would be more constructive to look at the Sinocentrism section of this article, which could bear some rewriting to change the present emphasis -- but not by adding "counterarguments" or adding further notes that "many consider this to have no real basis". When I say rewriting, I am referring to the various background notes on Sinocentrism in the section, which seem to have been inserted by someone to either justify charges of Sinocentrism or to show that there is an objective basis for Sinocentric thought -- it's not quite clear which. Some of that could be left out without compromising the section.
At any rate, I feel that toing and froing on Sinocentrism belongs in the Sinocentrism article itself, not here. In fact, if you read the article on Sinocentrism itself, you'll find some paragraphs on the Japanese body of thought that has grown up in opposition to perceived Sinocentrism which is much more interesting than the feeble counterarguments that were pasted in.
Bathrobe 01:36, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know why the photo was taken down of the Chinese protests last spring? And can we find another suitable one? Those riots were probably the most major anti-Japanese event in the last few decades... LordAmeth 12:58, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
There is no Wikipedia article on Japan Bashing. There isn't even a reference to it in this article.-- Sir Edgar 04:22, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
"Japan-bashing" was a term coined by a paid Washington lobbyist for the Japanese government named Robert Angel. It was popular during the 80's when there was rising criticism of Japan's protectionist trade policies and takeover of American businesses and real estate.
While working at the Japan Economic Institute, Angel coined the term "Japan-bashing" as a way to stifle debate, even legitimate debate, on relations with Japan. Here is the text from: http://archives.cjr.org/year/92/6/trade.asp
Angel, who is now a political scientist at the University of South Carolina, wanted to counter the mounting public criticism of Japan's trade policies. "I looked around for a phrase to use to discredit Japan's critics, and I hoped to beable to discredit those most effective critics by lumping them together with the people who weren't informed and who as critics were an embarrassment to everybody else," Angel says.
Angel's goal was to discredit opposition to Japan's trade practices by insinuating that it was based on racism and xenophobia. His model was the pro-Israel lobby's use of the term anti-Semitism to stigmatize opponents of Israel's policies. he first tried out the term "anti-Japanism" in speeches and interviews but it didn't stick. Then, inspired by the British term "Paki-bashing," he tried "Japan bashing" -- and it worked. "The first people to pick up on it were the Japanese press," Angel says. "However, within a year the American press began to use the term." The term became a weapon in the public relations war being waged in Washington over trade policy and U.S.-Japanese economic relations.
Angel is now embarrassed by his triumph. "I view that modest public relations success with some shame and disappointment," he says. "Those people who use [the term] have the distinction of being my intellectual dupes."
I will go ahead and create an article. -- Sir Edgar 23:42, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Japan sends the most foreign aid to China... which amounts to about $300,000? Whoever wrote that must realize that 300,000 dollars is NOTHING in terms of running a country. That section makes it sound like Japan is investing billions in the Chinese economy. Either the $300,000 figure is wrong, or the section must be rewritten to actually sound PLAUSIBLE. Why would Japan invest in China anyways? I don't believe that Japan gives China more money than all other countries combined. 71.105.75.207 05:21, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
1) Germany has paid $61.8 billion by 1998 for approximately 6 million Jews murdured and property damage with no end in sight. [4]
2) The US government paid $20,000 for every Japanese American being sent to internment.
Chinese casualty during Japanese invasion is estimated at 35 million. All major Chinese cities were heavily bombarded and razed to the ground, Shanghai, Nanjing, Chengdu, Chongqi, Wuhan, Hongzhou, etc... So a rough estimate by German standard the reparation should be around $350 billion, by American standard the sum should be $700 billion.
Japanese ODA to China is around $30 billion, of which 90% is low interest loans China has to repay; only less than $3 billion is actual aid. Japanese ODA to China has been widely reported by Japanese media. There were complains about China not showing graditude to Japan. In 1998, Chinese PM, while on a visit to Japan, publicly thanked Japanese for ODA. ODA is also used by Japanese government to pressure China's policy directions. When was the last time Isaerel's foreign policy choice became a condition for Germany reparation? When was the last time a Japanese PM expressed graditude for China's forgiveness, ever? Redcloud822 21:55, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
There aren't sources listed for anything in this article, so I added the tag. -- Xyzzyplugh 16:23, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
This really needs to be rewritten in general - it needs editing. However, specifically the bit about certain critic's "perceptions" that japan is whitewashing their textbooks needs to be corrected as Japan (very arguably) IS whitewashing their textbooks. The introductory paragraph seems... victimized. That should be corrected.
The article talks about racism in america towards Japanese immigrants. Is this racism or an "anti-Japanese sentiment" or are these two concepts interchangeable? Mrdthree 21:14, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
The article states that Changs book was withdrawn because of contorversy here:
Books such as Iris Chang's The Rape of Nanking generated enough controversy to be withdrawn from planned publication,
Is there a source on this? I heard that Chang got angry and pulled the deal when Japanese liberals (people in support of the Nanking Massacre) tried to fix some of the many errors in her book. It wasnt allowed and the book deal fell through. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.204.183.229 ( talk • contribs) , Diff [5]
We can not trust sources from South(and North) Korea. Why? You'll see if you read a histry book published in Korea. I've read a histry book used in Korean school.
Korean history books claim: 1. Korea has a 5000 yeas of history (longer than the history of China! wow). 2. Hangul has been used for centuries but, it's been banned by Japanese government. (Not true. The use of Hangul was banned by Korean King. Yangban strongly opposed the use of Hangul. Hanja had been officially used in Korea. Hangul became popular after 1910.) 3. Japan took away everything Korea had. (Not true. Japanese goverment built 5000 schools throughout Korea and taught Hangul. Japanese built rail roads, factories, hospitals, and a dam etc. Japan introduced modern medicine. The Korean population tripled in 36 years. etc etc) 4. Korea had been independent until 1910. (Not true. She gained independence after Treaty_of_Shimonoseki and built Independence_Gate) 5. Korea declared a war against Japan and Korean army faught against Japan and won the independence from Japan with some help of the atomic bombs. (Not true. There are no recod of any Korean army.. except a few soldiers who worked as an translator with US army) and list goes on and on...
Now, Korean people insists all the history taught in the US, China, Japan, and Russia are all wrong. [쿠키뉴스 2006-08-08 18:07] (Korean news article) http://news.naver.com/news/read.php?mode=LSD&office_id=143&article_id=0000035259
And finally, the Korean goverment is now teaching students to hate Japanese. http://english.ohmynews.com/ArticleView/article_view.asp?menu=A11100&no=294782&rel_no=1
http://aog.2y.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1550
It's the education.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Enjoyfuga ( talk • contribs) , Diff: [6]
Please pardon poor English.
I might not be able to consent.
I think a lot of sentences of the cause to be being written though this article is the one of the anti-Japanese sentiment. If it is the one for this article to expose a past evil doing of Japan, and to make the anti-Japanese sentiment recognized the right one, I apologize for an impolite remark. However, I would like you to teach why sentences that contain a lot of matters that seem to have created it have been approved otherwise by me.For instance, I want to know whether the description "Japan also killed the Queen of Korea at that time, Queen Min, and and raped and burned her body" has come out from material where.
-- "Japan also killed the Queen of Korea at that time, Queen Min, and and raped and burned her body" has come out from material where". Citations have been provided by someone. It is a well known event (not sure about the rape part though) witnessed by a number of Europeans. 66.171.76.176 00:28, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Okay, article currently says:
Now, personally, I haven't read the whole book, but I searched an online version for all references to Japan, Japanese, and Hitler's favorite epiphet for East Asians, yellow Asiatic, and although the man certainly demeans East Asians frequently on a racial basis, I didn't find any direct quotes to the effect of "Japanese are an inferior people".. Perhaps we could find a more specific way to describe Hitler's sentiments, that's more easily directly-quotable? - Eric 05:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Due to the comfort women incident(s) during WW2, as well of (invasions) and (massacres, eg nanjing) Anti-Japanese sentiment is common among the elderly in China (PRC), Korea (DPRK), Vietnam and Indonesia. (Brackets = mainly. Pro-US "states" eg Taiwan seem to have tolerace toward Japanese, however SOME portions of S. Korea and Taiwan are still Anti-Japanese.) ...will continue until... (admittion and compensation of comfort women) (...massacres) (...human testing in bioweapons tests in Manchuria). (sorry my english is bad, I need someone to complete my sentences, these are only basic ideas before adding them to main article). Middle age and youth in (mainland) China are Anti-Japanese due to the mass media and "passive propaganda" (eg in cartoons) encouraging hatred towaRDS THE Japanese.
Ideas OK? Benlisquare 10:59, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
EDIT - Source: Chinese TV. Anyone watch CCTV and BTV?
Benlisquare
11:02, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Please do not contribute if you are unable to write in english in an understandable way. especially the Korea-Japan relations make no sense in english. I understand wanting to make a contribution but you must understand that your translating is horrible. In addition the small nature of the points being made (like the pirate reference) is trivial for this broad of a topic.
Also, please don't just revert changes because you like it the way it was. especially when your version is unintelligible. This page is to help english readers understand the issue, not for people to soapbox.
This is the same reason i wouldn't go on a korean page and try to edit an article about the US there. Icactus 15:40, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
This is a book written in 1764. Korean's diplomat is writing. "The Japanese is a dog. I want to annihilate the Japanese on this beautiful island, and to do to Korean people's kingdom. " -- Necmate 18:23, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
The article provides a detailed account of Japanese ODA to China, but failed to account for the amount of reparation China forgave Japan. Even though accurate estimation of Japanese damage to China has been given, one can look into comparable cases.
1) Germany has paid $61.8 billion by 1998 for approximately 6 million Jews murdured and property damage with no end in sight. [7]
2) The US government paid $20,000 for every Japanese American being sent to internment.
Chinese casualty during Japanese invasion is estimated at 35 million. All major Chinese cities were heavily bombarded and razed to the ground, Shanghai, Nanjing, Chengdu, Chongqi, Wuhan, Hongzhou, etc... So a rough estimate by German standard the reparation should be around $350 billion, by American standard the sum should be $700 billion.
Japanese ODA to China is around $30 billion, of which 90% is low interest loans China has to repay; only less than $3 billion is actual aid. Japanese ODA to China has been widely reported by Japanese media. There were complains about China not showing graditude to Japan. In 1998, Chinese PM, while on a visit to Japan, publicly thanked Japanese for ODA. ODA is also used by Japanese government to pressure China's policy directions. When was the last time Isaerel's foreign policy choice became a condition for Germany reparation? When was the last time a Japanese PM expressed graditude for China's forgiveness, ever? Redcloud822 02:48, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
When Japanese troops left China, more than 700,000 pieces of Japanese chemical weapons were buried in China, with site information distroyed by Japanese military. Dozens Chinese civilians still get injuried and killed every year to this day. In Aug, 2005 two children was killed by Japanese chemical weapons in China. Due to Japanese lack of funding, the process of removing chemical weapons has been long delay. Chinese government has long urged Japan to take responsibility in clear up its chemical weapons. Japan refused to compenstate injuried Chinese civilians. [8] Someone wonder why China doesn't like Japan. Redcloud822 02:58, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Necmate, I have cited official Japanese Government record of Chemical Weapons in China. You can check it out here; it's from Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs [9]. I demand you stop denying those facts and reverting my editing. If you disagree with my assertion, please show me your evidence. Redcloud822 23:22, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
The article was somewhat messy, so I cleaned it up a bit. No information was changed, or distorted. Odst 02:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
oops, I may have deleted some stuff on accident. sorry. Odst 02:54, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
The Interaction between the governments are actually quite positive; it is just that "many individuals" hold a grudge against Japanese people.
also regarding the business techniques, I thought that It would be more appropriate to move the paragraph from the overview to the post WW2 section, as it is only a minor aspect of Japanophobia. Odst 03:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Odst 23:41, 17 July 2007 (UTC)== !! ==
How I see it, The overview is still screwed up. An unfamiliar reader would get very confused. Actually, my friend read it, and he was very, very confused... Odst 03:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
There were numerous atrocities committed during the 1592 raids and during the japanese rule of korea. Also, the statement in the overview was about the atrocities committed in China, too... But I do admit that I totally screwed up...
Ah, but you don't know how much people are bitter about them. many of the people primarily from the older generations are quite Anti-Japanese.
I am trying to find the place where I tripped. bear with me. Odst 03:08, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
and yes, I do know Vincent Chin. there was an hour long lecture about him at the museum of tolerance.
The info that many Germans resented the Japanese take-over of German colonies is, if it can be confirmed, certainly interesting info, but I wonder how notable this is. Also the comparison with Jews seems a bit out of place. Antisemitism was a very notable factor of the rightist movements in the Weimar republic (just see the murders of Erzberger or Rathenau, for example), and the consequences after 1933 are too well-known to need any discussion here. Are there any examples of anti-Japanese literature being published, or any notable anti-Japanese incidents in post-WWI Germany? I guess Hitler was not entirely convinced that Japanese were worth as much as Aryans, and so were a number of others. But I wonder how this is notable enough to warrant inclusion in this particular article. Yaan ( talk) 13:00, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Why has the etymology of "gook" been removed? I thought it was a rather good explanation of where it may have come from (the guo/guk/quoc origin). Benlisquare ( talk) 08:04, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
I thought it came from the Korean war because the Koreans at that time were yelling "gook". 99.238.165.168 ( talk) 02:57, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
The Korean word for America is "Miguk" which is definitely where it came from.... -- 206.57.22.197 ( talk) 15:18, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
But see this requote of The Conquest of Haiti by Herbert J. Seligman, July 10, 1920, which contains the following: "The Haitians in whose service United States marines are presumably restoring peace and order in Haiti are nicknamed "Gooks" and have been treated with every variety of contempt, insult, and brutality." Also see this and this. (kuliko na to hangukmal ul chokum mal halsu iseyo). Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 04:01, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Here is a direct quote from the KCNA:
If Japan finally launches re-invasion despite the repeated warnings from the DPRK, it will give vent to the grudge against Japan pent up for more than a century and send the whole of Japan, a country of islands, into the bottom of the sea. This is the unanimous will and tough stand of the servicepersons and people of the DPRK to struggle against Japan. Japan should learn the truth that this extraordinary readiness and will are guaranteed by full capability. The Japanese reactionaries would be well advised to halt such rash acts.
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As you can see, Japanese are referred to as "reactionaries". -- 李博杰 | — Talk contribs 06:57, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
According to the North Korean government, everybody who does not genuflect before Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il is a "reactionary"... AnonMoos ( talk) 04:26, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
In China, where Anti-Japanese (since WW2) and Anti-Korean (since the 2008 Olympic Torch Relay) sentiment is high, there are various terms used, most being ethnic slurs. They are common in street talk and internet forums. There should be more than the small few given in the article, so perhaps people should look around for them. New terms come around every now and then. For example, the terms 高丽棒子 ( http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%AB%98%E9%BA%97%E6%A3%92%E5%AD%90) (高丽/高麗 refers to ancient Korea, sometimes 韓棒子 is also used) and 死棒子 are anti-Korean terms common in China, yet they only surfaced at the beginning of 2008; there are no records of the words used prior (i.e. recent slang). "二鬼子" refers to hanjian and Koreans in the Imperial Japanese Army (back in WW2), and is used against all Koreans today. -- 李博杰 | — Talk contribs 00:28, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
I think these images from the Chinese Wiki article should be added. http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Anti-jp.jpg http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Shanghai1931post1.jpg -- 李博杰 | — Talk contribs 23:14, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
All forms of racism and descrimination based on country or ethnicity are deplorable and horrid, still I fail to see how anti-whaling sentiments are to be confused with anti-Japanese sentiments. I think the mistake here is to confuse the two. Not only are the articles and underlying justification for use misleading, but the only time the issues seem to be linked is in somewhat dubious debates on the internet, in an attempt to ascociate whaling with nationalistic pride to divert attention or gain support in opposition to the anti-whalers. In fact the inclusion in this article of the anti-whaling debate only seems to further support this position. Labeling Austaralia and New Zealand as "Hardline anti-whaling nations" lacks proof an is unsuitable for a encyclopedic article. The actions of Greenpeace were not supported by the government. The use of the word "barbaric" was used only in relation to whaling and in no way applicable to the Japanese government or people. Australia has incredibly strict codes of standards and practices in relation to TV content and draconian anti racial vilification laws, so believe me when I say any anti-Japanese sentiment expressed would have seen the interview cancelled or Garrett sacked. To make my position clear I don't think this section has any merit for inclusion, actually fuels devisiveness and does not have any supporting evidence. The whaling issue had relatively more press coverage in Australia than Japan, though for different reasons (I was in both places at the time). Outside of the issue, Japan is a great place and I thoroughly recomend visiting it (I also have no position on Japanese whaling). I suggest though being mindful of people with vested interest, turning the debate into something its not, as evidenced by a slew of anti-Australian videos "titled racist Australia" released by a Jpanese blogger in response to the whaling situation and the predictable responses. Both countries have a strong co-operative recent history, with little or nothing to the contrary and wikipedia is no place to incite some kind of racial battle or debate whilst the original subject (anti-whaling) has little to do with the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.215.157.160 ( talk) 10:35, 16 November 2008 (UTC)