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In the article it is claimed that Annie Jump Cannon created the mnemonic. This is highly unlikely and fundamentally, for Wikipedia, it is "unsourced". I removed the claim from the opening paragraph. In the middle of the article the claim is repeated with a supposed source. That "source" is POOR: it is a minor, low-quality informational web page originally crafted in 1998 which states "This phrase is a mnemonic device used by students and astronomers to learn the spectral classification of stars developed by Annie Jump Cannon." The reference of the clause "developed by..." is clearly to the spectral classification system, but a misreading seems to have linked it to the mnemonic itself. It does not imply that she invented the silly mnemonic. EllenM4014 ( talk) 15:17, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
I've usually seen "Oh Be A Fine Girl Kiss Me" credited to Russell, not Cannon herself. Is there a source for the assertion that Cannon invented this mnemonic? SarahLawrence Scott ( talk) 20:33, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
24.8.215.34 ( talk) 23:52, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Most other web sources suggest the starting pay when female Harvard computers were first hired was 25 cents and up. As the titles of the most talented computers tended to evolve (for example, Leavitt eventually became "Director of photometry") their pay would certainly have gone up as well. Also pay rates would have risen over time. So I'm skeptical of the claim in the article that "at this time the women doing this groundbreaking work at the Harvard Observatory were paid 25 cents a day." At a minimum, this claim needs a good source. I'd change it, but I myself don't have a good source for the actual salaries at that time. SarahLawrence Scott ( talk) 20:33, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Most other sources list the wages as 25-30 center per *hour* not per day. For example, in the biography "Miss Leavitt's Stars" by George Johnson, it states that Henrietta Leavitt was offered a job at a rate of 30 cents per hour, which was 5 cents more than the usual rate (page 32). So I think the correct wage for Annie Cannon must be 25 cents per hour. I will proceed to fix this. Aberlind ( talk) 14:34, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
I read most of AJC's diaries and letters at the Harvard Archive in spring 2012 and could find no evidence of hearing loss resulting from cold weather during AJC's under-graduate study at Wellesley. She makes several references to audible experiences right through her 20's. In fact, she never mentions her own hearing loss at all, as far as I could discover. A post-humous letter of remembrance by a colleague from her postgraduate time at Wellesley/Radcliffe talks about her hearing degrading badly at that time, so in her early 30's. Can anyone shed more light on this? What, if any, is the evidence for hearing loss, or serious illness during AJC's undergrad studies? I also read her travel journal for her 1892 trip round Europe. This does not appear to have been linked particularly to a solar eclipse. She did photograph the transit of Venus in 1882, in America. The solar eclipse of 1892 would not have been visible from Spain, according to the NASA site. Grange ( talk) 06:51, 22 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Captainmoll ( talk • contribs)
As noted in above talk there was no Eclipse in Europe in 1892, see List of solar eclipses in the 19th century. There was the Solar eclipse of April 16, 1893 that went into Africa (partial in Spain). I am assuming this is a mistake added to the article in 2004 [1] and has since been copied into all the other articles (and even the book) that mentions it. Her school bio at http://academics.wellesley.edu/Astronomy/Annie/history.html does not mention any eclipse. Noaccountaccount ( talk) 01:50, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
It seems unverifiable that she never complained (unless this is a reference to formal complaints - in this case the language should reflect that). The stated link between her never complaining and doing what she was told leading to universal respect would also be difficult to prove. 184.23.18.72 ( talk) 09:02, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
The women in astronomy were amazing! And they met together for some of their work. We watched COSMOS the National Geographic TV series and learned of their amazing collaborative work. Is this mentioned? -- AstroU ( talk) 12:30, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
Very interesting! Thanks for the link. -- Charles Edwin Shipp ( talk) 17:55, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
She was mentioned in the "Sisters of the Sun" episode of the Cosmos A Spacetime Odyssey show. One of the things they said is that she cataloged more than a quarter of a million stars. Sam Tomato ( talk) 16:35, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
Everyone's browser today, going into a Google-search, displays a scripted 'Google' logo in front of stars, and when you click to animate, comes to this Wikipedia page. Very nice! It celebrates her 151st birthday (today). Annie Jump Cannon was one of the greatest modern-day astronomers! I was born rather close to the time she passed over, and that shows how close we are to pioneer heritage. Thank You, Google screen creators. -- Charles Edwin Shipp ( talk) 14:15, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
From what I find (I could be way off.) Her mother had 3 children with Wilson Cannon, Annie the eldest and two sons. Annie also had several half sisters, and at least one half brother. Start here.... http://www.nndb.com/people/466/000164971/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.37.89.199 ( talk) 17:41, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
There are number of works by her that could be listed in a bibliography. A bunch might be online since anything pre-1923 should be in the public domain.
Peaceray ( talk) 23:53, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Now that I have started Annie Jump Cannon's bibliography, I have realized that she wrote too much to be effectively be contained within the article. At this point, I plan to add most of those available on line to the Bibliographic section, but then to eventually convert it to its own article. Annie Jump Cannon was prolific. Perhaps because she was deaf, she then may have communicated more via writing.
In addition to the online & offline star inventories, Cannon also wrote a number of biographies or obituaries. Although they are cataloged in Worldcat, none of them are listed as online. However, a number of them appear to be articles, & may be available in the online archives of the journals in which they appear.
After I add a sufficient number of citations to the bibliography, I will copy them into a Draft:Annie Jump Cannon bibliography so other editors as well as myself may work on expanding it as well. I invite interested editors to contact me to coordinate.
Peaceray ( talk) 19:08, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
The phrase "some people claim Cannon's hearing loss made it difficult for her to socialize, resulting in her immersing herself in her work," is problematic in multiple ways. Firat, who are "some people"? This lack of attribution to individuals making these claims is suspect at best, but it is particularly worse since I know it not to be true.
After speaking with a colleague who studies Annie Jump Cannon, I know that, according to friends of AJC, she was one of the happiest people they knew. Moreover, there is ample evidence in her journal that contradicts the statement above, such as:
"The busy life I so longed for has been opened up to me. Friends have come to me from the great world and my heart, my life are now the study of astronomy. They little know what it means to me… but I feel that I have the patience to run my race; to do the work set before me and am able to find contentment in my surroundings. I could not help it, thrown as I am with such kind people."
The statement that she struggled to socialize after her hearing loss is both false and stigmatizing to people with disability.
Additionally, the sentence immediately afterward that she was unmarried and childless only contributes further to the idea that she was socially stunted. My rephrasing of that statement to "She chose not to marry or have children" at least presumes she had some agency in the decision, though I find it doubtful this information would be terribly pertinent if it were not that she was a woman.
Adamewhite ( talk) 16:53, 10 May 2019 (UTC)Adamewhite
I've requested the citation from my colleague. She says the journals haven't been published, but she will draft a citation.
That is terrific. Thank you so much for your help with this. I appreciate it.
Adamewhite ( talk) 16:00, 16 May 2019 (UTC)adamewhite
The article says, "In 1898, Cannon discovered her first star, though she was not able to confirm it until 1905."
This is copying the quaint wording from a vintage newspaper article, but it's terrible astronomy (and Annie Jump Cannon would have known better!). Stars are not "discovered". Cannon helped identify a "recurring nova" (which is now known as RS Ophiuchi) by analyzing the Harvard archives. She did not identify or "discover" this nova in 1898 and then wait until 1905 to have it confirmed. She helped identify it in archival photography from 1898. There is good coverage of the astronomy behind this in the 1898 section of the Wikipedia article for RS Ophiuchi. EllenM4014 ( talk) 20:39, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
The reference cited for her being "highly accurate" doesn't appear to state this. Am I missing it? 2601:145:502:2EE0:340E:865:D8AF:6CD1 ( talk) 03:53, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
Tests of her work have shown an amazingly high degree of accuracy where inaccuracy seems almost inevitable.[1]
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