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I have reverted this edit by Amchess.
-- ArglebargleIV 17:44, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
All indications that I have been able to find online are that it was during the 1860s, but I haven't been able to get any better than that, and all of the mentions are offhand. I doubt that the precise information exists online, myself. I was going to write to a a couple of chess historians, such as Edward Winter, to ask if they know of any printed research material that I could check that could be used as a reference. -- ArglebargleIV 13:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
The best source of American Chess Association historical info is right from the ACA's own library. But apparently you continue to allow convicted felons such as Sam Sloan to influence into not allowing an orderly input of historical info onto these pages so that all information of historical significance can be added. As mentioned right above, our organization was not defunct due to the Civil War but the 1876 Globe itself reports J. A Congdon as President of the American Chess Association in 1876 with James Roberts as Secretary and soliciting funds to attempt to put on a major 1876 centenniel event. Just because you have been on the Board of Directors of a major competitor, USCF, should not allow one to allow the obvious vandalism we have here. Anyone can order past reprints of back issues from ACA. You are preventing the legitimate addition of sourced materials from the organization being added. The fact that some do not want to recognize the Fischer-Spassky 1992 match as it was promoted, as "The World Chess Championship" does not change the fact that the match historically took place, was promoted, had a 5 million purse, larger than anything the competitor, FIDE, the International Chess Federation (not the legitimately incorporated World Chess Federation, Inc.) has put on.
The 1876 references were of the same organization, not some colloquial name for a similar organization.
By allowing a vandalized page you ignore records from 1890s and from the 1910s etc through present day of this organization.
By doing what you are doing you are violating constitutional free speech and aiding a competitor organization in supressing historical truth. Sam Sloan has always had a history of putting out inaccurate info. The fact remains, that just like in the case of the Nevada State Chess Association, incorporations are done to gain State protection so that legitimate elections are run and procedures like Robert's Rules of Order are followed rather than having tinhorn dictators thwart democracy. So the USCF now has Nevada Chess as its puppet organization. The result of the case with USCF was that the Nevada State Chess Association got what it wanted, fair CPA audited elections and it moved over to ACA by the vote of its membership, and retention of its name, while the USCF's puppet organization now goes under the name Nevada Chess. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amchess ( talk • contribs) 14:54, 31 July 2007
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Sufficient evidence has been provided that the sentence "It is believed that the ACA was defunct by the 1870's" should be marked as {{
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John Vandenberg
10:46, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi. On what grounds do you believe this article to be nonsense? It's not apparently nonsense from the text. -- Dweller 11:01, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I know of no evidence that an organization called the "American Chess Association" ever existed, even in 1857. There was a tournament won by Paul Morphy in New York in 1857, with Louis Paulsen second, which was the only tournament Morphy ever played in.
The problem is that Stan Vaughan has a long history of forming organizations with the same identical name as existing organizations and then claiming to BE that organization. The USCF won a court case against Vaughan in 2000 and got a court injunction prohibiting him from doing this.
That is the reason that there has been no activity since 2000.
His claims are patent nonsense. For example he claims 71,000 members. However, he just "declared" all USCF members to be members of his organization, even though they never joined or even heard of his organization.
Also, amchess is the email address for Stan Vaughan. He is basically posting his own Wikipedia page which is against the rules.
He claims affiliation with the "World Chess Federation". However, that is his own World Chess Federation incorporated in Nevada, not the Real World Chess Federation, better known as FIDE, with headquarters in Switzerland.
Vaughan has been doing this sort of thing for more than 20 years. Before doing it in Nevada he did it in South Carolina and Oklahoma and one or two other states. He will keep doing this as it his major scam. He always catches a few people who send him money, confusing him with the real organization, the USCF. Sam Sloan 14:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
See what I mean. He is going to keep doing this. Forget about the Wikipedia Rules. Court injunctions mean nothing to this man. This is a problem chess organizers have had for more than 20 years. The only permanent solution is to delete this page and salt the earth. Sam Sloan 01:58, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
This organization is not notable and this page should be deleted. Sam Sloan 23:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
The original organization, which this article should be about, had some original historical notability. If you feel that Vaughan's ACA isn't notable enough to have an article, maybe that discussion should be at American Chess Association (Nevada). -- ArglebargleIV 11:39, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
The new argument by Amchess (see this edit summary) is that, since he claims that he can provide copies of old issues (1800's?) of the American Chess Monthly, therefore his ACA is the same as the ACA founded in 1861. At least, I think that is what he is trying to say, I'm not absolutely sure. I don't think that follows, to say the least. -- ArglebargleIV 01:48, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I've tried to combine user:Amchess's edits with the information about the historical ACA. in response, Amchess once again replaced the article with a (largely) unsourced plug for his ACA. (I say largely unsourced -- nothing about the modern ACA is sourced, only a couple of historical facts about the original ACA.) Since there is no evidence presented besides Amchess's assertion that the modern ACA has any relationship other then sharing a name with the historical ACA, I feel that the latest version of the artice that I have put together is a good start towards explaing both organizations.
Furthermore, throwing around charges of vandalism is not appreciated, to say the least. Please stop. -- ArglebargleIV 22:06, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
I continue to maintain that the only way to deal with this situation is kill this article and salt the earth.
What you Wikipedians fail to understand is that Stan Vaughan has been doing this for twenty years, incorporating an organization with the same name as an existing organization and then claiming that his organization IS that other organization.
He will never quit as this is his major scam. Sam Sloan 03:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
In the journal article "Robert A. Peddie (July—December 1891).
"Contribution to a Bibliography of Chess Periodicals". Notes and Queries. Seventh Series - Volume Twelfth: p.143. {{
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OCLC 149667386 lists this serials publishing details as "New york, 1858-", and only indicates that Koninklijke Bibliotheek holds it; a search (in en) indicates they have only issue 1. John Vandenberg 03:26, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
In amoungst the recent edit warring, there has been a claim that an " American Chess Monthly" has been in existance since The Chess Monthly in 1857. Confusion regarding the naming is appears intentional. There have been a few periodicals that have used the name Chess Monthly, and it appears obvious that none have been continuously published over this period. If anyone has access to any of the issues before 1923, it would be a good idea to upload them onto Wikisource, especially "The Last of a Veteran Chess Player" (I have added s:Maelzel's Chess-Player). John Vandenberg 15:20, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
The article states that $5000 was offered by the ACA, with a ref for "Illustrated London News" that indicates "verification needed". The "verification needed" can be removed, and the following ref can be added as a copy of the Illustrated London News article appears in the book:
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I think it would be a good idea to make this change while the article is protected as this ref was provided by Amchess.
John Vandenberg
21:56, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
In this book published in 1969 by the USCF, a "National Chess Registry" is mentioned:
I cant find any other mention of this registry, on google scholar, books, news archive, and CA business name searches don't appear to be able to be done online [1]. John Vandenberg 16:14, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
There are a few misconceptions on this page, that is, some things aren't exactly as they are portrayed.
"On November 11, 1857, Paul Morphy, who had defeated Louis Paulsen in the tournament, was presented with a silver service at the prize giving by Colonel Charles D. Mead,[citation needed] President of the ACA.[5]"
First, Morphy didn't receive the silver salver for defeating Paulsen (whether that's what's intended or not, by mentioning Paulsen's name, it's implied). Morphy accepted the silver tray as his prize for winning the tournament, period. The slaver and goblets repaced the intended monetary prize ($300) because a monetary prize was distasteful to Morphy. The inscription on the tray reads:
This Service of Plate
is presented to
PAUL MORPHY
The Victor in the Grand Tournament
at the First Congress
of the
American National Chess Association
New York, 1857
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http://sbchess.sinfree.net/note9.html for a detailed photograph, if that will satisfy the citation folks.
While the 1st American Congress Book, page 123, does indicate that a national association should be established (Oct. 10, 1957) and establishes the name of the association as the American Chess Association, nowhere in the book does it say that the association was actually established (though it probably was). That whole issue seems rather unclear.
Footnote [5] cites Buck mentioning Mead as the president of the ACA. But the person who formulated the above sentence confused 1857 with 1859. Buck mentions Mead in connection with Morphy's return from Europe (1859). The silver salver was presented in 1857. So, even if Buck were right that Mead was the president of the ACA (and Buck's accuracy is very, very questionable) it doesn't mean he was president of the ACA in 1857. -- Batgirl 04:58, 26 August 2007 (UTC)