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I suggest the implementation of {{Reflist|colwidth=45em}}
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{{Reflist|2}}
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So, it's curious that AA's litigation against (formerly in-house) Sabre is on hold. Is AA favoring Sabre over Apollo (Galileo) and Travelport? Let's discuss with references from news sources. Thanks. -- Inetpuppy ( talk) 06:34, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
On 30 March 1973 AA became the first major airline to employ a female pilot when Bonnie Tiburzi was hired to fly Boeing 727s.
The next two paragraphs should be removed - not relevant to AA From 1971–1978 Beverly Lynn Burns worked as a stewardess for AA. She went on to become the first woman Boeing 747 airline captain when, on the afternoon of July 18, 1984, she commanded People Express flight #17 (aircraft 604) departing Newark International Airport at 3:30pm to Los Angeles International Airport.
In a prearranged effort, this honor was shared with another female People Express captain Lynn Rippelmeyer, who flew flight #2 from Newark to London Gatwick at 7:35pm that same day.[15]
American Airlines has been innovative in other aspects initiating several of the industry's major competitive developments including computer reservations systems, frequent flyer loyalty programs and two-tier wage scales.[16] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiceman2 ( talk • contribs) 16:08, 26 April 2011 (UTC) Spiceman2 ( talk) 16:15, 26 April 2011 (UTC)Spiceman2
Hello, I've noticed that the following paragraphs in the pop culture section make it look like a random assortment of facts. They're listed below. Any suggestions on where to put them? Thanks.
These are worth putting in the article, but they just aren't in the right place. Please share your suggestions on where to put them.
Thanks, Compdude123 ( talk) 21:42, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
AA also operated 747-200F for cargo division American Freighter, its not listed in the historic section, even if leased it should be included as it flew in full AA livery. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.155.39.206 ( talk) 01:31, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
In the fleet table it shows an order for the 787-9. In the notes it says the order is not firm. Maybe this shouldn't be included in the table if this is the case? Other airlines seem to follow this rule -- JetBlast ( talk) 18:28, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi, Is the order for the 737 Max firm? According to this official Boeing press release Southwest is the only one with a firm order. If this is the case shouldnt the order be removed from the fleet table? Thanks. -- JetBlast ( talk) 06:32, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Why is American Airlines claimed to be the flag carrier of the US? The Flag Carrier page says: "A flag carrier is a transportation company, such as an airline or shipping company, that, being locally registered in a given state, enjoys preferential rights or privileges, accorded by the government, for international operations. It may be a state-run, state-owned or private but state-designated company or organization. Flag carriers may be known as such due to maritime law requiring all aircraft or ships to display the state flag of the country of their registry." This is not met by American. Dmoerner ( talk) 07:40, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
And also, someone changed that American Airlines is the world's largest airline in terms of passenger traffic and revenue but not the largest in terms of passengers (United is). Snoozlepet ( talk) 05:08, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
I lack the Programming skills, and would like to request the fleet chart is updated with American's 42 new firm dream liners. citation is http://www.americanairlines.ch/intl/ch/newsAndPr_en/pr_dreamliners.jsp. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aviator44 ( talk • contribs) 12:17, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
I added a entry a few months ago about their 787 order. It was reverted with the edit summary "Undid revision 472108795 by Jay8g (talk) not a firm order.". I was all right with that (I know very little about aviation and assumed I misunderstood AA's website). However I recently was looking at the List of Boeing 787 orders and deliveries and it includes the AA order. Please help me understand this. (The source I used was [3] :Jay8g Hi!- I am... - What I do... 02:14, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
I deleted PLUNA from the codeshare agreements section because PLUNA ceased operations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.89.35.142 ( talk) 18:32, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
I deleted Gol Airlines from codeshare agreements because it is past August 13 and the codeshare has been terminated since then. Should have been removed earlier. 72.89.35.142 ( talk) 02:42, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Is it oK for me to add that they are one of the only companies who responds to your twitter posts if we give examples. If its ok I want to do it. Pure Awesomeness Commonly called Evoogd20 02:34, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
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It is requested that the photo of Americans Flagship First Class Cabin, located in the ON-BOARD SERVICE Section be updated to this photo " https://www.aa.com/content/images/aboutUs/newsroom/img_first_class_suite.jpg" in order to improve the quality and accuracy of this article as American just created a New Flagship First Class cabin.
( Kinz7865 ( talk) 01:59, 13 February 2013 (UTC))
The following split should on the table for discussion:
{{split2|AMR Corporation–US Airways Group merger|date=February 2013}}
I don't know if the above is a split or a rename proposal, but just wanted to put it forward for discussion. The above is in reference to the article American Airlines–US Airways merger.
-- 71.135.164.241 ( talk) 06:04, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
Very short article, nothing to suggest it was a separate subsidiary airline. From what i have gather from the source in the article is that the Cargo aircraft where part of the main airline. JetBlast ( talk) 11:04, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Merge quite useless, ugly, and quite frankly not informative to wikipedia. Pure Awesomeness Commonly called Evoogd20 02:38, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
I have moved this from its original location at Talk:American Freighter while closing the discussion., as this is where it should have taken place. Oddbodz ( talk) 21:24, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Please do not add US Airways hub airports to the page as 1) the merger still requires various approvals and 2) American and US Airways remain separate carriers until a single operating certificate is achieved. Thanks! Also, will LGA become a hub if the merger is approved or will it remain a focus city? Snoozlepet ( talk) 23:04, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
WhisperToMe ( talk) 17:22, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
There have been some edit wars over this section. I just added some references to help. However this section is still a mess and probably should be a new article for the Formation of American Airways to cover the period around 1930. From what I'm seeing our articles are contradicting each other. The claim is that as few as 80 airlines to over 90 airlines were combined into the new American Airways. The first consolidation was into around 4 holding companies like Aviation Corporation and within a year that all was consolidated into one company. Avco has a partial list and some references that might be a good starting place to research and build this new article. Finally we need to be careful on how we deal with the current merger. The US parent acquired the AA parent out of bankruptcy. With US being the survivor and it was renamed or retained the AA name. Not sure how this should be dealt with when it happens but some of the reverted adds where saying that AA acquired US which is not correct. Vegaswikian ( talk) 23:17, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Why is PHX listed as an AA hub on the info box? It is a US hub, and it is probably too early to list it. If not, why didn't editor add PHL, CLT, and DCA? tommer419 ( talk) 19:00, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Meat puppets of American Airlines and Wikipedians unwittingly helping them are the problem. AA is effectively being taken over by America West/USAirways. AA public relations probably wants a WP article describing the long AA history. Do not be fooled into helping them and being a corporate stooge.
Instead, most of this article's content should be an article called "American Airlines (historic)". This article entitled American Airlines should begin with America West and trace how the names changed to AA
The history should not begin with AMR and earlier. That is dishonest.
Please defend the integrity of Wikipedia.
Stephanie Bowman ( talk) 03:54, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
I have discussed this matter with a very experienced user, JamesBWatson, who happens to also be an administrator. Some seating information that is or borders on advertising was removed in the United Airlines article. I propose a similar move for American.
In terms of removal, the vast majority of the article remains intact, just some marketing like stuff removed. EatingGlassIsBad ( talk) 21:55, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
Where is everyone getting that LaGuardia is a focus city. AMERICAN AIRLINES listed in its hub listings as: New York, NY (Both JFK & LGA)
Someone needs to provide a reliable source of information that explains LGA is a focus city. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nrwairport ( talk • contribs) 16:24, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
Since when did LGA became a AA hub? 74.183.173.237 ( talk) 21:12, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I agree entirely, LGA is certainly not a hub for AA. I think you are exactly right and maybe the confusion has come from the wording of the most recent press release from AA and the CEO’s letter to employees which talk about their New York hub and then give the total number of flights from LGA/JFK combined. They never specifically said LGA was a hub and, for the reasons you indicated, it is clearly not.( 82.45.56.46 ( talk) 13:19, 20 September 2009 (UTC))
Here we go again.... Snoozlepet ( talk) 15:36, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
2015-06-25: By visiting this page on American's website listed here: https://www.aa.com/i18n/aboutUs/arriving.jsp , it lists the mainline American hubs, and LGA is NOT included.-- Kmk1011 ( talk) 00:00, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
I added a hub information section because it has one on Delta's page, I think it would be appropriate and informative to include that on American Airlines' page. Nrwairport ( talk) 02:49, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
A few thoughts on this: – Do not put Pittsburgh on the list!! This was a former US Airways hub, and should be noted on the US Airways wikipedia page. Since it was at no time an American hub, IT DOESN'T BELONG ON THIS PAGE!! – Boston Logan, San Jose (CA) were added to the list of former hubs – JFK: AA has the third largest operation at JFK behind Delta and JetBlue. I believe it was a hub for them before the TWA acquisition, and since the merger with US Airways, it has now become the #2 transatlantic gateway after PHL.-- Kmk1011 ( talk) 23:45, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
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If you go to http://www.aa.com/i18n/travelInformation/specialAssistance/pets.jsp and scroll down, it says
If you’re traveling on a connecting flight, your checked pets will only be able to connect through one of our hub cities. If you’re connecting between American and another airline, you’ll need to claim and recheck your pet and pay applicable charges to each carrier.
Charlotte, NC (CLT) Chicago O'Hare, IL (ORD) Dallas Fort Worth, TX (DFW) John F Kennedy New York, NY (JFK) LaGuardia, NY (LGA) Los Angeles, CA (LAX) Miami, FL (MIA) Philadelphia, PA (PHL) Phoenix, AZ (PHX) Washington Reagan, DC (DCA)
Are the hubs listed per AA. Do not remove LGA as a hub.
Nrwairport ( talk) 22:16, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
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There is a great danger of editors unwittingly editing what a company wants and not the truth. Luckily, there are reliable sources to document the truth.
Corporate folks know the value of a name, like American Airlines. They want the world to respect the name. The fact is that US Airways took over American Airlines and kept the American Airlines name. This is not unique. America West took over struggling US Airways and kept the name.
Consider these references that really illustrate the point.
1. US Airways shareholders get stock in the new company. AMR/American Airlines shareholders in the bankrupt company get shafted.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303560204579247953849152692
2. Doug Parker, the CEO of US Airways, will hold the same position with the new airline, while AMR CEO Tom Horton will serve as non-executive chairman. The deal is essentially a purchase of AMR by US Airways, as US Air shareholders will receive a share in the new company for each of their US Air shares. Quote from http://money.cnn.com/2013/02/14/news/companies/us-airways-american-airlines-merger/
3. "Really, US Airways took over American,” Boyd, the consultant, said. “It’s just that they kept the American name.” Quote from https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/the-last-days-of-us-airways/2015/09/25/f5530686-60a6-11e5-8e9e-dce8a2a2a679_story.html
A solution to this might be to include in the infobox when the current corporate entity came into being. Another part of the solution is to acknowledge the roots of American Airlines and also strongly note the roots are in US Airways (and even America West). We cannot honestly paint a picture of American Airlines starting in 1930 and merging with all these airlines. I understand that many feel uncomfortable with a timeline that the American Airlines company would like to hide, i.e. that America West was started and eventually took over and conquered American.
Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy ( talk) 22:57, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
I discussed this with a very knowledgeable Wikipedian whose expertise is aviation, User:Fnlayson. Here is a summary of what I wrote and his response.
You are one of the leading authorities in Wikipedia as far as aviation knowledge. You might not be a leading figure in the world, but in Wikipedia you are. Therefore, I seek your comments either here or the relevant talk page.
The American Airlines article is not quite what it should be, in my opinion. I feel there is confusion among different editors. What should the article be about?
a. the corporate entity, American Airlines Group. I believe this is completely wrong because there is a separate article on the American Airlines Group.
b. the corporate division or subsidiary that operated the passenger airline. That is a reasonable idea.
c. the American Airlines brand name. Very similar to B. Also a reasonable idea. The difference between B and C is that C may encompass more than one subsidiary. I have yet to research it but American Airlines may have a cargo division, frequent flyer program company, etc. Because these are related, I think C may be the best.
d. the American Airlines operating certificate. No, this is too esoteric and would be very hard to write because we would need to research what airlines had what operating certificate.
e. hybird of a and c. This is a very difficult thing to write because many, many editors would not be able to agree on a hybird. There could always be a push for a by some and c for others. This would create conflict.
f. trace the history of the current entity which is America West. Later in the article, there would be recap of the history of the American Airlines name, which dates from many decades ago. One could argue that the article should be written with the history of America West and how it acquired the American Airlines name. However, American Airlines wouldn't like such an article and a lot of people, reading "merger" in the news would feel uncomfortable with that idea. I believe F would be the most logical choice but I think the knee jerk reaction is that many would be uncomfortable with it.
I think C avoids the problem that American Airlines is really America West. The current management and ownership starts with America West who eventually took over American Airlines' name and owns the stock. Owners of the old AMR (American Airlines) stock got zero, nada, because of the bankruptcy. If you bought $10,000 of AMR, you now own $0.00.
Thank you for your ideas. I lean towards C as the best compromise but I can live with any consistent principle and apply it to the article. Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy (talk) 00:43, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
The Lead of American Airlines only covers the airline itself and does not mention that its parent is American Airlines Group (but should). I suggest focusing on the airline and any of its subsidiary airlines (option c). Please discuss this on the article talk page and/or WT:AIRLINES, if you haven't yet. -Fnlayson (talk) 01:10, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
I am in a long term effort to improve this article to the point of point similar to a featured article. This is the first section to be reviewed and improved.
I proposed to:
1. review many airline articles on Wikipedia to see the custom as well as the portal.
2. all hull losses and major incidents from 2000 on will be included. The 1979 DC-10 was very significant in causing the DC-10 to be banned (later dropped) so hull losses from 1979 on should be included. To not cherry pick, all hull losses that had passengers killed starting with the 1979 DC-10 crash should be included. (DC-10, Cali 757, Little Rock and then 2000-on)
Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy ( talk) 22:57, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
The next section that I want to start to work on is the fleet. Problems include that it is constantly changing. I think it is futile to try to differentiate between owned and leased planes because, while it is possible to look up ownership data online, there are hundreds, nearly 1000 planes to look up. The citations would be in the thousands and overwhelm the article.
Therefore, planes operated by American should be the key. Of course, that might mean that planes owned by American but operated by regional airlines don't count. If there are only a few, it could be mentioned. Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy ( talk) 16:24, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
I've added a chart with a list of planes that American Airlines operates. A similar chart appears in British Airways and Japan Airlines, both good articles. Such chart also appears in United Airlines, Finnair, Lufthansa, Air France, JetBlue, Air Canada, Hawaiian Airlines, etc. I am thinking of modifying it, such as having a blue color instead of red. However, inclusion of the chart is not vandalism, as one poster wrote. Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy ( talk) 16:43, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
"The company, ...also has a significant presence in Atlanta, Boston, London-Heathrow, Raleigh-Durham, San Antonio, and San Francisco."
This line of text is unnecessary and I have removed it. These are not hub airports, and, therefore, it's irrelevant to list them. Yes, they are shown alongside the hub airports in the text at the link provided ( http://www.aa.com/i18n/travelInformation/destinationInformation/airportInformation.jsp), but it doesn't mean that they are hubs, or that they have major operations there. In the case of ATL, BOS, SAT, and SFO, I suspect these are listed due to the fact that American operates from more than one terminal at these airports as the result of the merger. ( Kmk1011 ( talk) 02:24, 3 December 2015 (UTC))-- Kmk1011 ( talk) 02:17, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
I also removed the third paragraph in the intro relating to the US Airways merger, and relocated its pertinent information in the "Merger with US Airways" section of the article. ( Kmk1011 ( talk) 03:32, 3 December 2015 (UTC))
Administrator MilborneOne has started an interesting trend here. It is to not duplicate information in child articles, like the fleet and accidents. I am uncertain of the wisdom but see the logic that it is a reasonable alternative way of editing and will build on that work. Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy ( talk) 15:24, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that the "Maintenance bases" section is completely inaccurate. All of the sources are broken links, and I cannot find any sources to backup that information. — Music1201 talk 07:55, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
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Well written: Overall, the writing quality is decent. Since there are many reasons for failing this nomination, I won't take the time to comment on bad grammar or unclear sentences, but on criteria 1b. The two tables "revenue passenger miles" and "revenue passenger kilometers" should be combined and use the same values. The short "predecessors" section seems odd and could be removed, since the content appears elsewhere in the "history" section. There are a couple short paragraphs in the "Bankruptcy of AMR Corporation", "Merger with US Airways", "New headquarters" sections that need to be better incorporated into the prose. The "Sponsorship" section should have some more details about the relationship between AA and those teams (years/length, amount of the sponsorship). Regional subsidiary American Eagle is mentioned in a few parts of the article, but a subsection of "Corporate affairs" should be made to explain AA's relationship with AE's operations.
The "Destinations" & "Fleet" section need a summary of the content of the main articles for those topics. The "AAdvantage" and "Accidents and incidents" sections are empty and should also have a summary of the main articles for those topics. See WP:SUMMARYSTYLE.
The lead is inadequate. It needs to summarize the main parts of the article. In particular, the current lead doesn't really have any information about the history of the airline (a significant part of this article).
Verifiable: Lots of content in this article lacks a reliable source. The article is filled with "citation needed" tags and refimprove tags for sections.
Broad in coverage and Neutral: No issues here except for the sections that need a summary of the main articles for those topics. The only major topic I can think of that is missing from this article is codeshare agreements and any joint ventures (eg. see Delta Air Lines#Alliances).
Stable: Many back-and-forth edits in past couple of weeks.
Images: Given the other substantial issues with this article, I won't go through every image to verify that license/copyright is ok. Overall, the images are relevant. However, there are lots of images of aircraft...in my opinion, many of them should be removed from the article.
Since there are substantial portions of the article without citations and many problems with content, this article is a long way from GA status. Therefore, I am failing this nomination. AHeneen ( talk) 02:49, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
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Should we add a on-board amenities section? There have been many changes recently, such as American making their in flight entertainment free and free meals on coast to coast routes such as LAX to JFK. Thatwweguy 619 ( talk) 02:02, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
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I'm not quite sure that the prior-to-2013 logo is the appropriate logo to put in the infobox. Shouldn't it be used for the current logo of the company? Most articles have a section showing the previous logos anyways. Ren97 ( talk) 15:49, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
American Airlines is a Major Airline it has narrow body jet, regional jets and wide body jets and it flies to a lot of locations too it’s a major airline it should be major not a american airline delta is a major too. RedProofHill123 ( talk) 12:06, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
American Airlines is a Major airline like delta and united. RedProofHill123 ( talk) 19:01, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
Currently, the article has a slant towards the AMR timeline. We, in Wikipedia, should decide what direction to take.
Option 1: American Airlines originates from America West. America West management took over American Airlines but they first took over US Airways, taking over the US name.
Option 2: The American Airlines brand name originates from the 1930's. This is the current slant.
Option 3: American Airlines originates from US Airways. This is the more modern slant and people can find out in other articles that US was taken over by America West management.
Option 4: Be very neutral and be very clear about all the above options listed.
I believe option 4 is the most transparent and desirable but option 3 has some merit. Option 2 would risk being too close to the public relations department of American Airlines. Vanguard10 ( talk) 16:10, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
Per the article from Dallas Morning Star, "Barry Broome, president and CEO of the Greater Phoenix Economic Council, said he has been assured by Parker that Phoenix will be the merged airline’s western hub. “And that’s a big deal for Phoenix to be their primary western hub over Los Angeles, Denver and San Francisco,” he said." Loss of a corporate headquarters may cost Phoenix jobs, prestige — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8800:5981:1520:1515:9D8:F4A:8FA7 ( talk) 20:48, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
I reverted, as clearly a US DOT data showing AA leading the airline industry in racially motivated mistreatment of customers is noteworthy. The discrimination incidents by AA have certainly received more coverage than the WP:PROMO content currently in the "Cabins" and "Reward programs" sections. Icewhiz ( talk) 22:54, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
"According to a Bloomberg analysis of US Transportation Department data, based on Air Travel Consumer Reports from 2016 through August 2017, Americans Airlines leads the US airline industry in racially motivated mistreatment of customers. American had 29 complaints compared to 17 for United Airlines, and 9 each for Southwest Airlines and Delta Air Lines. [1]"
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"In addition to this anecdotal evidence, data about flier complaints show American Airlines as an outlier in the racially motivated mistreatment of customers. Consumers lodged more complaints against American Airlines based on race than their competitors, according to a Bloomberg analysis of U.S. Transportation Department data.". Black on white in the source. Icewhiz ( talk) 23:34, 25 January 2019 (UTC)