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If you are going to post any of that, it should be standardized, in regards to spelling and so forth. Also, I suggest that information not be duplicated, and the exact format and information not be cut and paste from that website. Before all this is done though, it must first be verified that information from that website is both neutral and more importantly, not copyrighted or restricted. 134.174.151.189 18:50, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The result of the debate was don't move. — Nightst a llion (?) 17:56, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Pretty straightforward. Naming conventions exclude titles from article name. gren グレン ? 10:01, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Relisting 23 Oct 2005
The result of the debate was no consensus, not moved. — Centrx→ talk • 21:06, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani → Ali Sistani – There are other "grand ayatollahs" like Hossein Montazeri and others. Patchouli 02:35, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Gedefr 16:21, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
To the two IP editors who are currently engaged in a sterile revert war on this article: it is now locked from editing for a few days for you both to step back. To 98.197.203.161 ( talk · contribs), please take note of Wikipedia's policies on biographies of living people and providing citations from reliable sources. The information you are adding will not be accepted unless you can provide reliable sources for it. Thanks. ➨ ❝ ЯEDVERS❞ has nothing to declare except his jeans 13:11, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
re: The New York Times - "iraq's newly open gays face scorn and murder," printed, late edition (front page, carried to page a10), by timothy williams and tareq maher, wednesday, april 8, 2009
in middle of the article is a paragraph -
"In 2005, the country's most influential Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, issued a religious decree that said gay men and lesbians should be 'punished, in fact, killed.' He added, 'The people should be killed in the worst, most severe way of killing.' The language has since been removed from his Web site."
in my opinion, language on this decree should somehow be folded into sistani's wikipedia article. since i am unregistered at nyt.com, i can't easily fold the info in with citation.-- 71.183.238.134 ( talk) 01:49, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) says: Similarly, "King", "Queen", "Blessed", "Mother", "Father", "Doctor", "Mister", or any other type of qualifier is generally avoided as first word for a page name of a page on a single person, unless for disambiguation or redirect purposes. Also according to Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies) Titles must not be emphasized in article title and opening paragraph. You can see other Grand ayatollahs in this category and also Ali Sistani in other wikis.
So Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani must be moved to Ali al-Sistani
پوویا ( talk) 03:44, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
There's an edit war over this right now. As the section basically consists entirely of heavy soapboxing, and this is a BLP, it should be removed IMO. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 08:29, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
It is not clear that Sistani passes that test. He would not exactly be distinguished in the realm of conservative Muslim religious figures by publicly attacking homosexuals. The second is conflating the fatwa with the person. Hitler isn't in category:mass murderers, for instance, though certainly he was the one giving the orders. It would probably be better to have a separate article for it. The third is that this consensus you've pointed out has been repeatedly questioned, especially when it is applied to subjects which aren't known primarily for the topic in question, and it would probably be better to start that discussion again on a wider forum than the category talk page. Just so we're clear here, my major issue here is article quality; that section looks very much like a soapbox to me right now, and I'd like to see that resolved. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:48, 20 June 2009 (UTC)This category is for issues relating to homophobia, including organizations or individuals that are particularly noted for being involved in the subject of homophobia. It is not intended for groups or individuals who have made homophobic remarks and related actions but are not considered widely known for their homophobic stances.
For some of the edicts, I have used the same reference. However, it still comes up as a different number. Could someone please solve that. Thanks-- IsaKazimi ( talk) 11:09, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
There seems to be hitch in his bio. The sequence is that he became a Marja 1960 at age 30 (???) and then " ijtihad" (? - read mujtahid?) at 31. Ok if he is called a mujtahid he surely won't be a Marja before that. No idea what the contributor wanted to say but kindly someone correct that. I am not familiar with his story just looking it up but this does not fit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.98.113.164 ( talk) 19:21, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Totally suspect linage. This man's father was selected by Lottery, a well known and acknowledged matter it would seem. Here is the quote from a previous version of the Arabic wikipedia that was removed by the "ayatullah"'s "aids":
ولد في مدينة مشهد شرق إيران في 4-8-1930. كان والده بالقرعة هو العلامة السيد محمد باقر. ووالدته هي أبنة السيد رضا المهرباني السرابي. كانت والدته تتمتع كثيراً تقرباً إلى الله!! وهكذا تزوجت بالعقد المنقطع الفقيه المعروف السيد محمد الحجة الكوهكمري. وبعد فترة تزوجت متعة من آية الله الميرزا محمد مهدي الأصفهاني. وبعد مدة تزوجت متعة من السيد محمد باقر. وبعد هذه المتعات المتكررة حملت به والدته ولا تعرف بمن تلحقه. فقصدت الحوزة العلمية في مدينة قم، فأفتى لها المرجع الكبير السيد حسين الطباطبائي البروجردي وقال: بما أن علاقة الأول قد انقطعت فلا يلحق أبنها به، وحينئذ إن كان عقد الأول والثاني كلاهما في زمان مدة الأول، فالعقدان كلاهما باطل. ويكون الوطئ من كليهما شبهة، وعليه فيكون أبنها مردداً بينهما. فبالقرعة اختاروا العلامة محمد باقر ليكون أباً للسيستاني.
Which translates to:
"Born in Mashhad, east of Iran on 4-8-1930. His father by Lottery is the cleric Mohammed Baqir. His mother is the daughter of Sayid Ridha Al-Mhrbani Al-Srabi. His mother practised "mit'ah" frequently (a form of paid-for, temporary marriage contract for sex only, which only Shi'aits practice) as a means of getting closer to Allah. And so she "married" well-known Hujjeh Sayid Mohammed Al-Kohkmry. Then a little while later, she practised mit'ah with Ayatullah Almirza Mohammed Mahdi Al-Asfahani. Then, a shortly afterwards, she practised mit'ah with Sayid Mohammed Baqir. Subsequent to these frequent mit'ahs, she became pregnant with him, and did not know his fatherhood. So she went to the Hawzeh in Qum, and she received Fatwa from the Grand Marji' Sayid Husain Tabatabai' Al-Brojrdi stating: "given that the relationship with the former has ceased, then her son would not draw parentage from him; therefore, if the first and the second contract both fell within the period of execution of the first contract, then both are null and void; intercourse with both would be suspect, and therefore her son's parentage could be to either. Therefore, a lottery took place, and the Scholar Mohammed Baqir was chosen to be Sistan's father".
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On Sistani's website it does not say : "Not if you masturbate using your own hand.."
Rather it (the question and answer) says:
Question: f my wife wants me to masturbate in front of her, is it then allowed? Answer : You masturbate using your own hand. If your wife helps you ejaculate, there would be no objection.
i.e. there is no "No if", it only says You masturbate using your own hand. Now what is interesting is that "You" is capitalized so if it was a smaller "you" one could speculate that he left out the "Not". Even if you assume the fact that masturbation is forbidden, i don't think it is proper to cite something that is NOT his DIRECT WORDS.
thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.68.252 ( talk) 23:18, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
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It would be great if someone who is more familiar with the topic could condense the most important information in the article into a better introduction. As it is now, you'd have to read the entire (rather long) article to grasp the most important things about him. / Julle ( talk) 00:50, 4 January 2015 (UTC).
Perhaps just Ali Sistani-- 88.111.129.157 ( talk) 19:47, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
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The recent material sourced to the Daily Star (United Kingdom) should not be included. It is repetitive and poorly sourced for a BLP. Also, more importantly, most of it has nothing to do with the subject of this article, it's supposed footage of a different cleric, the actions of whom the Daily Star article itself quotes al-Sistani as condemning. It's despicable behavior, but if al-Sistani is to blame for it, Wikipedia is going to need much better sourcing specifically implicating him.-- William Thweatt Talk Contribs 20:56, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
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His portrait in the lede looks very menacing... Maybe there's a better picture of him, somewhere? 139.138.6.121 ( talk) 06:56, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
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