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What's the source for the statement that Batman/Bruce Wayne were modeled on Loomis? There's no citation there and no reference to it later in the article (only in the summary). I've never heard anything about this, and I'm skeptical. Jason ( talk) 20:22, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
I haven't been able to substantiate that Loomis invented electroencephalography, a technique that appears to have been in use from before he was born. Perhaps he held a patent on a particular technology in that area. A good number of his inventions were collaborations, and improvements on existing ideas, so its wise to check the claims in detail. Yakushima (talk) 15:54, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
moved here for continuation
Your changes are acceptable until more documentation is provided. Thanks for the heads-up about your reason for the edit about the electroencephalograph. Take the following for what it is worth, I've always presumed that assumption of good faith includes refraining from ridicule of other editors -- perhaps you ought to contemplate that as well, before making comments as you have above under Batman ?, such comments are not necessary and always can be misunderstood. Part of being a good editor here is getting along with others who have a right to edit, just as you do. -- 83d40m ( talk) 23:53, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
You've made a number of contributions to this biography, in the process apparently taking Tuxedo Park as the last word on Loomis (and possibly violating publisher's copyright and WP:FURG with the use of the cover image.) In fact, this book seems to incorporate a number of inaccuracies, as you might see from carefully reading the review at American Scientist [1]. Several of these inaccuracies are in the direction of exaggerating Loomis' career and contributions. The book is also criticized in that review for its relative paucity of source notes.
Wikipedia biographies, like all Wikipedia articles, are founded on source-based research. Some sources will, of course, exaggerate, or contain falsehoods. It appears that the author of Tuxedo Park was sometimes making things up, perhaps for the sake of a good story. I suppose if you take the book to heart, Loomis could actually start seeming a little like Bruce Wayne after all.
Still, Tuxedo Park seems to be a useful source, if you take it with the appropriate grain of salt. I suggest that, from here on out, if you plan to work further on this biography, that you quote directly from Tuxedo Park (with clear attribution, including page numbers) rather than simply rephrase statements from Tuxedo Park as if they were fact. This makes it clear that the statement quoted is one author's view, and not the last word on Loomis. Quoting has another advantage over paraphrase: you're less likely to get the author's meaning wrong, regardless of whether what the author means is accurate or not. Yakushima ( talk) 17:55, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
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Here are two images that have Alfred Lee Loomis in them. They are from two different sources, one, with Loomis shown peripherally, from a department of Energy site, that was uploaded in February 2007 for an article. The other is a cropped image of Loomis prepared from a book cover with focus only upon the portions that were essential for use as an image in Wikipedia for articles on the subjects, that was uploaded in July 2008 when my last edit was made. The rationale for the use of each image is given at those files. Both have been reviewed in the normal manner and passed review.
Are personal attacks, demands, and threats considered good behavior for editors at Wikipedia? I do not think so. It is curious that some editors prefer to harass other editors—who are exercising a right to edit at Wikipedia just as any other editors—seemingly for having opinions or preferences that differ from theirs, and no matter how far removed—more than thirty edits ago, in July.
For the record, 60.42.122.78 and yakushima from the revision history of the article and this page are acknowledged above to be one.
I believe that when there are differences of opinion, cordial collaboration and assumption of good faith are very useful tools for building good articles. I also consider the energy expended in wars as a waste of precious time that could be used editing, and, as evidenced clearly, decline to engage in them. ---- 83d40m ( talk) 16:10, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
items above—after September 16—were moved today to accompany the rest of the discussion and unfortunately, to retain the context, there might be redundancy following in order to display the comments following the original copy. ---- 83d40m ( talk) 16:58, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
The group photo, while not centrally featuring Loomis, is nevertheless an illustration of his role as a collaborator (which is, after all, mainly what he was, according to the biography itself), and the image is apparently in the public domain. The cover of Tuxedo Park is a copyrighted work; insofar as I understand WP:FURG, it would be permissible under only for an article about the book, or possibly (but probably not) for one about Tuxedo Park, but not for a biography of Loomis. Perusal of the talk page for 83d40m, the contributor of the Tuxedo Park cover image, reveals that this editor has been quite unclear on Wikipedia image policy; perhaps this case should stand as yet another example of this editor's confusion. The argument that book covers are used to illustrate many articles is not, in itself, an argument for using this particular book cover. Some of the existing book cover images may be in violation of copyright and of WP:FURG and therefore irrelevant examples. Yakushima ( talk) 17:29, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
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