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The wording is what most accurately describes the subject of the wiki; it seems that proving the subject as invalid is more important than describing the subject accurately to some editors. Which program fits better with the mission if wikipedia?
72.89.19.118 (
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17:02, 9 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Also it's not even the wording I would choose it's the most accurate category that describes AT under the banner of alt med. provided by wiki
72.89.19.118 (
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17:04, 9 November 2023 (UTC)reply
I'm unclear how "incorporating concepts from mindfulness" is due in the lede without mention elsewhere in the article, nor how Alexander was able to access and incorporate such concepts in its development. Instead, this sounds like an after-the-fact categorization and rationalization of the practice. -
Hipal (
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16:51, 10 November 2023 (UTC)reply
It's mentioned in the SBM piece cited, and also in this one.
[1] We don't mirror other definitional stuff between lede body and it seems harmless enough. I agree it probably is a retro-fit to try and surf the mindfulness wave of a few years ago.
Bon courage (
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16:58, 10 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Well obviously the article is lacking a lot of meat that was hacked out in previous edits and not replaced with anything beyond Ernst for a while. As Bon Courage pointed out there is support in the sourcing and every independent source on AT calls it a "mind-body" method.
2600:4040:913E:EF00:C178:4813:C963:A4F (
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19:14, 10 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Either way it is a nearly content-free descriptor which doesn't belong in the lead. We should be using the opening lines to explain what it actually is, not to put in marketing buzzwords. While we're at it the quotes attributed to the NCCIH (a famously fringe body) should be cut as well.
MrOllie (
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19:17, 10 November 2023 (UTC)reply
These are the only sources that give any kind of specific descriptors. You guys are on a mission to make the wiki as vague and meaningless as possible. Mind-body practices, somatics, mindfulness, MECPs are all nearly synonymous. What is a generic term is alternative med/.therapy, complementary therapy... Those labels surely do apply but a more specific description should follow.
2604:CA00:17C:1B94:0:0:663:ED88 (
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22:58, 10 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Regarding the second half of the first sentence of this article: ¨is a type of alternative therapy based on the idea that poor posture gives rise to a range of health problems.¨
I believe I can safely say that no Alexander technique teacher would agree with this statement. Typically it is not referred to as a therapy, the use of the word posture will mislead the reader, and AT is not focussed on relieving specific health problems but rather on changing global habits.
What about this sentence: ¨The Alexander Technique (AT) is an approach to changing habits of postural support, muscle tension, movement, attention, and reactivity.¨ (
https://alexandertechniquescience.com/general-at/what-is-alexander-technique/ )
213.93.108.91 (
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07:19, 26 February 2024 (UTC)reply
This has been discussed ad nauseam; see this Talk page and its archives. As a 'real world' check I look online at what AT vendors are offering and straight away see it being touted for asthma,
[2] Looks to me like a classic
Motte and bailey fallacy is in play. When challenged, AT vendors are like 'me!? medical!? oh no!" but left to their own devices they are happy to advertise with medical claims.
Bon courage (
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07:42, 26 February 2024 (UTC)reply