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A note can be made in the article for the endorsement to the revolt given by Ismail Qemali and especially Nexhip Draga in the Ottoman Parliament and the rejection of these deputies of the martial law. Aigest, can you please find a source for that? -- Sulmuesi ( talk) 16:13, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
What cities were attacked, what cities were entered and what cities were captured?
Text of the article is poorly written and confusing to the readers who can be mislead about who controlled what cities and when. There is a list of cities (Prishtina, Ferizaj, Prizren, Gjakova, Shkoder, Shkup, Peje, Diber,....) that were attacked, entered or captured by Ottoman army or Albanian rebels, but it is unclear if Albanian rebels ever captured any of the cities or not. Readers could be mislead to believe that Albanian rebels captured all those cities and then Ottoman army had to “take possesion of Prizren and Gjakova”, “enter Shkoder”, “capture Peje”, “went to Shkup” that were “attacked in Prishtina and Ferizaj”... If Albanian rebels managed to capture any of those cities, that should be clearly written what cities they managed to capture. It is especially valid for Shkoder that was extremely important town and stronghold for any party in conflict, and if Albanian rebels managed to capture it, it should be described in separate subtitle. If they did not manage to capture all towns on the list (or any town like it is written on the very end of the text), text should be rewritten in order not to mislead readers.
Lead section does not describe events properly
“New centralization policies” that, according to text, inspired revolt remained absolutely not described. Why would they inspire only Albanians to revolt, and not people of other ethnicity, and why only Albanians on Kosovo ...... If new taxes were introduced in 1910, why there were revolts before 1910, even before Young Turks revolution that happened in 1908, .... -- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 22:09, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
Text is factually inacurate. “new centralization policies of the Young Turk Ottoman government in Albania.” This is part of first sentence that contain inacurate facts. There was no Young Turk Ottoman government in Albania from three reasons. First, Ottoman government was not organized on geographical principle, but on administrative ( vilayets), that did not correspond to geographical region. Second, Albania is linked not to Albania as toponym but Albania as country, that did not exist in 1910. Finally, it is obvious that revolt took part only on Kosovo which has nothing to do with Albania as toponym or state.
Info box give figures of 3.000 rebels and 16.000 soldiers of Ottoman army. But if 3.000 ambushed the train under control of one leader, where was another leader Isa Boletini and how many rebels he had under control to control other territories? In the text it is written that Ottoman army gathered 50.000 soldiers, which does not correspond with number in info box.
Info box describes location as Northern Albania, but there is no described revolt in Albania at all. Only on Kosovo. If there was no revolt in Albania, then article is mistakenly categorized in History of Albania.
Lede is without any reference, and informations can not be veryfied. There are no inline citations. -- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 22:09, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
Circumstances that led to the rebels are poorly described. What were in fact demands of the rebels? What about their armour, is it true that government of Kingdom of Serbia, Kingdom of Montenegro and Italy provided arms for rebels? What was reaction of other countries that were interested for the region? -- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 22:11, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
Readers that are not very well acquainted with geography (most of English speakers does not know much about toponyms used in text) would need a map of the region with marked territory that was under control of rebels. -- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 22:13, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
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I think that article does not meet requested criteria for good article. But since this is my first review, I asked for second opinion.
What cities were attacked, what cities were entered and what cities were captured?
Text of the article is poorly written and confusing to the readers who can be mislead about who controlled what cities and when. There is a list of cities (Prishtina, Ferizaj, Prizren, Gjakova, Shkoder, Shkup, Peje, Diber,....) that were attacked, entered or captured by Ottoman army or Albanian rebels, but it is unclear if Albanian rebels ever captured any of the cities or not. Readers could be mislead to believe that Albanian rebels captured all those cities and then Ottoman army had to “take possesion of Prizren and Gjakova”, “enter Shkoder”, “capture Peje”, “went to Shkup” that were “attacked in Prishtina and Ferizaj”... If Albanian rebels managed to capture any of those cities, that should be clearly written what cities they managed to capture. It is especially valid for Shkoder that was extremely important town and stronghold for any party in conflict, and if Albanian rebels managed to capture it, it should be described in separate subtitle. If they did not manage to capture all towns on the list (or any town like it is written on the very end of the text), text should be rewritten in order not to mislead readers.
Lead section does not describe events properly
“New centralization policies” that, according to text, inspired revolt remained absolutely not described. Why would they inspire only Albanians to revolt, and not people of other ethnicity, and why only Albanians on Kosovo ...... If new taxes were introduced in 1910, why there were revolts before 1910, even before Young Turks revolution that happened in 1908, ....
Text is factually inacurate. “new centralization policies of the Young Turk Ottoman government in Albania.” This is part of first sentence that contain inacurate facts. There was no Young Turk Ottoman government in Albania from three reasons. First, Ottoman government was not organized on geographical principle, but on administrative ( vilayets), that did not correspond to geographical region. Second, Albania is linked not to Albania as toponym but Albania as country, that did not exist in 1910. Finally, it is obvious that revolt took part only on Kosovo which has nothing to do with Albania as toponym or state.
Info box give figures of 3.000 rebels and 16.000 soldiers of Ottoman army. But if 3.000 ambushed the train under control of one leader, where was another leader Isa Boletini and how many rebels he had under control to control other territories? In the text it is written that Ottoman army gathered 50.000 soldiers, which does not correspond with number in info box.
Info box describes location as Northern Albania, but there is no described revolt in Albania at all. Only on Kosovo. If there was no revolt in Albania, then article is mistakenly categorized in History of Albania.
Lede is without any reference, and informations can not be veryfied. There are no inline citations.
Circumstances that led to the rebels are poorly described. What were in fact demands of the rebels? What about their armour, is it true that government of Kingdom of Serbia, Kingdom of Montenegro and Italy provided arms for rebels? What was reaction of other countries that were interested for the region?
Readers that are not very well acquainted with geography (most of English speakers does not know much about toponyms used in text) would need a map of the region with marked territory that was under control of rebels.
Reviewer: Antidiskriminator ( talk) 22:28, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
I have read this article objectively not knowing much about the Albanian revolt of 1910. A cover photo or illistration in the introduction would be good, if there is a photo that captures the Albanian revolt. Having a map of the Albanian area would be good as has been suggested. It would be good to cover briefly why the Albanians revolted i.e. nationalism and/or repression. I did not find the text poorly written, although, the narration can be improved. I was actually interested in reading the article and the narration kept my attention. The statistics should match what is in the article. The reference style is good and there seem to be valid resources to the article. The article could overlap the history of the Albanian people in order to have a broader context. Overall the article needs improvement but it is a good effort and start. Three questions can be answered are Where are the Albanian people in today's world?; Did they ever obtain independance?; Where are the Ottomans in today's world? My recommendation is improve the article then resubmit for GA. Cmguy777 ( talk) 17:25, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
I do not think this is GA. The article is much too short. It needs more background (I feel that must have been far more grievances that just a new tax), actual fighting (so who controlled which settlements?), and aftermath (how did this all tie into the 1912 independence? how long did the ban on Albanian books last? what happened to the mountainous regions that Ottomans failed to control?). The prose is ok, but not great -- could use an advanced copyeditor. The article desperately needs a map. I also sense slight pro-Albanian POV. Most stunning is this sentence: "Albania became a wasteland for Albanian patriots, and the Albanian culture was fully oppressed." Renata ( talk) 16:56, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
There are serious neutrality problems, with the article taking a partisan position in relation to its subject, "The Albanian culture and patriotism were thus severely repressed," (From lede) produces Albanian culture and Albanian patriotism as self-evident subjects. Try, instead, "Until 19XX Albanian cultural institutions were [concrete social relationship, ie "banned"], and expressions of patriotism for the Albanian nation were [concrete social relationship, ie "illegal, persecuted, etc"]." There are quality of writing problems, "Unable to repress their resistance, this column took another way to Shkodër, passing from the Pukë region." The article is not written in one of the major world Englishes (Indian, New Zealand, South African, Canadian, etc.); it needs to be written to meet the grammatical requirements of one of the major world Englishes. There are high order problems, including the absence of a causes / precursor context section, a discussion of the meanings of the revolt, and ideally a discussion of the historiography of the revolt. Fifelfoo ( talk) 01:15, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Multiple people have now stated that this article does not meet GA criteria, and no further work has been done on the article, so i'm going to fail it. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 17:20, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
A block of text about Congress of Manastir held in 1908 was boldly added to this article. Since this revolt had nothing to do with choice of alphabet used to write text in Albanian language, I removed it. If anybody has valid argument to support its inclusion please bring it first here.-- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 17:34, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Perhaps this will get dedicated editors on this subject to get this article into shape. Hopefully. 50.111.49.156 ( talk) 16:49, 24 July 2021 (UTC)