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This Wiki reads too much like a fan site, with its 'fictional biography' et al. It would work much better if the information was presented in a non fanboy way, such as presenting the history of the development of the character by Steve Coogan, the radio shows, its transition to Television etc. I understand that there are dedicated fans out there who are so absorbed in the fictional 'realities' of the show that they appreciate a wiki that presents every subtle, and trivial 'fact' as found in the shows, but the rest of us want to find useful information on Wikipedia rather than a fictional biography of a fictional character.
Also, these pages contain many spoilers that people new to the show may not appreciate.
I dont really expect to reach a consensus for a re-write, but I think it is needed.
I agree. I've tried to trim out the fat from the 'character' section - it's useful to have a description of what the character's like, but as it originally was it was just too detailed. But yeah, the 'biography' needs some real trimming - it's longer than some real people's that I've seen on Wikipedia, and is just crammed with lots of trivial stuff.--
Joseph Q Publique11:23, 29 April 2007 (UTC)reply
I wouldn't have thought there were zombies in Crisis Zone. While one could imagine zombie-like creatures running abound in HOTD3. And we all know how precise Alan is about defining his undead...
Rockpocket(talk)03:03, 1 May 2006 (UTC)reply
I made a correction to the Radio series, the person who updated it recently (and they may have been building on something I originally, and mistakenly, wrote) said that Alan shot Forbes on the radio program. It happened on the final episode of the TV series. And it did not end his BBC chat career, that fate was sealed when he punched Tony Hayers on the 1995 Christmas special.
User:Sponline 23 March 2006
'Fictional'
I notice that someone who altered a comment said 'fictional characters aren't born'. That may be true, but how is it of relevance here? Alan Partridge is clearly a real person, as we live and breathe.
Why fictional? As the writer of (most - iirc) of the orginal piece, I don't really know why I used it - but several real people have appeared with Alan, including Clive Anderson, Bryan Ferry and Elton John. But you can take it out if its annoying you that much.
User:Sponline 23 March 2006
Why the qualification? One acknowledgement at the top of the article is enough, there's no need to explain on a character-by-character basis.
Guyal of Sfere09:39, 25 October 2005 (UTC)reply
A little too self referential...
Although beautifully written (almost as a good as
Bravo Two Zero by
Andy McNabb which, of course, actually improves with every read) some of the text in the article is a little too Partridgesque for the general reader. I've tried to tone it down a little without losing the light tone.
Rockpocket00:49, 7 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Quotes
As much as we all love them, i fear the quotes sections is getting a little too comprehensive. The problem appears to be that every week or so, another editor appears and adds his or her favorite Partridge quotes. WP is not a collection of quotes, so i think we should think about pruning these and then limiting the addition of new ones. I'm not quite sure how to go about it, though. I would suggest starting with context. They have to stand alone to the reader unfamiliar with the subject.
For example, although the "Dan, Dan" scene is among my favorite of all time, it is really prety meaningless as a quote. The comedy is all in the context. Similar with the Chris Rea/Mini Kiev monologue. That isn't a quote, it is a scene. Finally, the "Oh Ladyboys" quote is a minor part of a larger joke (it was said as a gesture of disgust after taking a sip of the mixture). Its pretty meaningless as a standalone quote to anyone not familiar with the scene. Thoughts or suggestions?
Rockpocket(talk)18:13, 18 May 2006 (UTC)reply
Lexus
Am I right that Partridge got himself a Lexus because he thought it was a luxury car (presumably he was strapped for cash so couldn't get something prestigious)? I have added this to the Lexus page trivia section but it keeps on being removed (possibly by irate Lexus owners, who presumably have done a Partridge themselves!)
DavidFarmbrough07:03, 23 May 2006 (UTC)reply
Further to this, Partridge has affected the image of the Lexus to such an extent that he is referre to in
Parkers] Price guide: "If you fit into Lexus' buyer profile for the IS, you're probably young, affluent and style-conscious. But that was before ex-Rover-driving, sports-casual-wearing Alan Partridge decided to buy one." So it's not just me!
DavidFarmbrough10:45, 1 June 2006 (UTC)reply
In opening paragraph:- "Two radio and three television series..." surely "four television series"? The Day Today, KMKYWAP and the two series of I'm Alan Partridge??
I think, in this case, "series" refers to "shows" as opposed to "seasons" (to adopt the US terms). The character has appeared in three different series (of whch one had two, em, series). Perhaps the paragraph should say "Two radio and three television shows" to make that clearer. Rockpocket19:59, 15 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Lord Morgan of Glossop died from an apparent heart attack...?
"and, in the series finale, his guest Lord Morgan of Glossop died from an apparent heart attack."
Where did this come from? Alan cleary shoots him in the chest by accident when looking at the dueling pistols! Hence why LMoG says "Be careful with that!", then the gun goes off and blood appears on LMoGs chest.
You are confusing the radio show with the tv show. The man Alan shoots on the TV show of KMKYWAP is Forbes McAllister; Lord Morgan of Glossop appeared on the radio version of Alan's show.
86.41.215.1614:17, 28 August 2006 (UTC)reply
Vectra?
I am struggling to find any reference in the programme to the car used by Alan t drive to Dundee. The article says the car was a Vauxhaull Vectra, but I don't believe this is the case. Alan went to great lengths to hold on to his Rover 800 in series 1 of I'm Alan Partridge, and has a Lexus in series 2. I can't recall a Vectra ever being mentioned.
I think this is just a comment made in conversation on one of the episodes- and was not shown on TV as such - and if I recall right Alan also says something like driving to dundee in bare feet too. That could be how the vectra comment came about --
PrincessBrat19:26, 2 May 2007 (UTC)reply
Section on Cars
The section on Cars is esoteric and not important enough to be on its own. I've removed the section as well as cleaning up the rest of the article. This is an encyclopedia, not a fan page. The article was starting to drift from the formal tone.
I'm Still Alan Partridge: the new series is coming
Isn't that just a working title of the second series of I'm Alan Partridge? There doesn't seem to be any new Partridge series in the works. —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
Alberon (
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contribs)
09:30, 2 March 2007 (UTC).reply
Yeah, and if you look at the dates on that page, it's obviously from 2002.
20:45, December 17, 2006 edit......
Just submitted a minor edit to the article. Few things added. I removed the following line ....
"In one episode, he seems protective of his personal assistant
Lynn when they encounter a swinging couple who Alan describes as "sex people"."
.... as I don't feel that's the way things were at all. Alan feel protective of anyone?! Naaah! He just wanted to piss off as quickly as possible. He probably didn't want Dan and his wife to see the fat-deposits on his lower back. Now, if Mrs. Dan had been a ladyboy....
Gardener of Geda20:55, 17 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Character inspiration
I removed this entire section as
original research. The only
reliable sources were those detailing the similarity between Partridge and Wilson, which is already discussed in the previous section. Everything else is webpostings or discussion boards, or using comparisons to Partridge to illustrate a point about the individuals mentioned. For example, an article referring to Nick Owen as behaving like "Alan Partride on crack" is not an appropriate source for a claim that Partridge is based on Nick Owen.
Rockpocket05:35, 22 December 2006 (UTC)reply
You bastard. I was looking for that section. I don't suppose you kept a list of the names? Couldn't you just have put {{Fact}} tags around some of them?
In fact, you could have just made sure that it said "Although no major inspiration has ever been mentioned by Coogan or other writers, it has been speculated that Alan Partridge is an amalgamation of x, y and z." It IS relevant that his character is a broad spoof of a certain type of "old school" TV presenter.
AGPAS
I've removed this link to a forum per our external links policy, as by its own admission has only 43 members, which isn't sufficiently notable enough: On 10th December 2005, the Alan Gordon Partridge Appreciation Society (AGPAS) was founded and has 43 members as of 26th January 2007.
would explain why alan's middle name is "Gordon" - —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
82.24.175.199 (
talk •
contribs)., 15:09, February 17, 2007
btw im not gordan burns... i was watching the
krypton factor on
ftn and i thought he looked like alan - —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
82.24.175.199 (
talk •
contribs)., 00:13, February 18, 2007
Oooooohh - sorry, Gord. Imagine how embarrassed I feel now, thinking that you were Gordon Burns! I thought it was a bit strange that Gordon Burns would be writing in to Wikipedia telling people that he looked like Alan Partridge and not bothering to sign his posts, mind you, but stranger things have happened, I'm told. Yes.
Gardener of Geda |
Message Me....01:12, 18 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Image:Partridgedvd2.jpeg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under
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Bangkok Ladyboys is 'Bangkok Chickboys'
The sentence: " Hayers was not impressed, and Alan had to wrap up his production company Peartree Productions, firing all its staff. During his time at the Linton Travel Tavern, we discovered more about Alan's failed marriage, his children and his obsession with "Bangkok Ladyboys". "
Should have "Bangkok Chickboys" at the end...
Character inspiration strikes again
Although I note that it's been removed and replaced before, I have removed the section headed "Speculated character inspiration" as
original research. Unless specific citations can be made for inclusion, it should probably remain here:
While it is likely that Alan Partridge is not based on any one particular real-life personality (but rather a composite caricature of various presenters from British television), it has been speculated that certain presenters might have inspired his creation. These have included
Nick Owen,
Fred Dinenage,
Tony Wilson,
Alan Titchmarsh,
Jeremy Clarkson and
Richard Madeley.
Peter Levy is often jokingly cited as being the 'real' Alan Partridge.
The writers of Alan Partridge have yet to explicitly state who their inspiration was, if indeed, there was anyone.
"Also, in the second series of I'm Alan Partridge recounts a story about a time <...>"
This is an example of poor grammar. There is no mention in the sentence of who recounted the story. I am making a change to this.
DanTheShrew (
talk)
19:50, 14 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Grammar
"Also, in the second series of I'm Alan Partridge recounts a story about a time <...>"
This is an example of poor grammar. There is no mention in the sentence of who recounted the story. I am making a change to this.
DanTheShrew (
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19:51, 14 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Hi DanTheShrew, thanks correcting any mistakes, but you don't really need to point out every minor correction you make to this article on the talk page unless it's particularly controversial - an edit summary will suffice. Bobtalk20:18, 14 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Best of the Beatles, Pete Best?
"... he describes Paul McCartney's band Wings as "the band The Beatles could have been" (by whom, his favourite album is, of course,
Best of the Beatles, the joke here being that this album was in fact a cash-in effort by Pete Best that contained no actual Beatles music). "
It seems to me that the joke in question here is that Alan couldn't name any Beatles albums as his favourite, so he just said "The Best of the Beatles". I really don't think he was referencing some obscure thing involving Pete Best. Can anyone give some insight into this?
Colleen3217—Preceding
undated comment added
00:09, 1 September 2009 (UTC).reply
How do we know he actually wants to be a ladyboy with 10 inch shoes on him? Could it be that he is worrying about being put in to a such scenario. I imagine he is day-nightmaring) if such a word exists. He is trying everything to kickstart his quagmired career. If he wanted to be a ladyboy, he would have given it a go already.--
85.164.223.109 (
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23:37, 1 February 2011 (UTC)reply
Alden Partridge, Norwich, Vermont, USA, born 1755
The Bill Bryson book, A Walk in the Woods, refers to a remarkable character Alben Partridge who was born in Norwich, Vermont in 1755. He was superintendent of West Point by the age of 30 and somewhat of a hiker. Is this coincidence or was the name / location any kind of inspiration for the Steve Coogan's character? --
Maclauk (
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21:47, 28 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Bouncing Back
"It was met with positive reviews and was a commercial success, compared to his fictional last book 'Bouncing Back' which was panned by critics and didn't sell well."
This is in the section about the Partridge autobiography, I'm sure 'Bouncing Back' was just the book he wrote in the 2nd Series of IAP?
The entire
fictional biography section is a bit confused. Some subsections are entirely fictional information, apparently synthesised from various sources, sometimes with citations to individual episodes or books. Other subsections have quite a lot of out-of-universe information - the section about the movie is entirely real-life information, for example. I'm not sure quite what to suggest about this. I'd do some work on it myself only I'm not enough of a fan of the character to have all the necessary source material, and it's not obvious what facts come from what source. Ho-hum.
Morwen -
Talk17:11, 18 May 2012 (UTC)reply
Welcome to the Places of My Life
Steve Coogan is doing a mockumentary type program with the Alan Partridge character, this should be mentioned in the article but I lack the know how to implement it with references ect.. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
109.255.172.229 (
talk)
19:20, 7 June 2012 (UTC)reply
It was said in an audio commentary by the writers/directors that if they decided to do a third series they would've revealed Michael was never in the army, completely understand if unrealized plans for a fictional friend of a fictional figure aren't article worthy, but just thought I'd mention it. --
79.97.5.64 (
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14:43, 16 February 2013 (UTC)reply
It was kind of impled anyway. Remember the stuff with the spoon. And no, prob not worth mentioning. Given Coogan is second only to Carr in generating spin off, lets keep this page as canonical as we can.
Ceoil (
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15:10, 16 February 2013 (UTC)reply
Under "interests," it says that Alan is into birdwatching. I don't think this is accurate. He "used to be able" to imitate the call of a partridge, which he attempts on Mid Morning Matters, but this could just be part of his interest in his namesake, which is references several times across all of the series. Please correct me if I am wrong! — Preceding
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110.171.64.243 (
talk)
04:54, 12 March 2015 (UTC)reply
I know this wasn't caused by you, but I seriously doubt that that image is free. It was uploaded by a user who is currently blocked for being a vandalism-only account, and I don't see how this review could possibly be his/her own work. So try to verify this for a non-free use rationale.
OK, the rationale provided by the original uploader is definitely bullshit ("own work" allegedly!). I don't have a lot of experience with using copyrighted images on Wikipedia. I notice that the image for
Homer Simpson (a FA) is a copyrighted image taken from a press pack, so I suppose this article could do something similar. I downloaded a press kit for the Alan Partridge film
from here though none of the photos are ideal, IMO. The image from this
Mid Morning Matters press release would be ideal for the lead, but do you think it can be used?
Popcornduff (
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03:08, 12 September 2015 (UTC)reply
Why is The Herald's review necessary for the image caption, especially in this section?
I think image captions are a nice place to put extra information in articles. The information mentioned here - that the Herald described Coogan's performance as "reptilian" - isn't a review per se, they're not praising or criticising Coogan's performance, they're just describing the nature of the performance. Perhaps it would be better off in the character section. What do you think?
The first paragraph reads just like a collection of facts, so if you could try to make it flow together better and show why these should be grouped together, that would be great.
Not done Basil Fawlty is linked earlier in the article. Unless you think the mentions are far apart enough to justify linking twice?
I didn't see that, so you don't have to link it.
Question: have there been any negative or mixed reviews of the character?
I did actually search quite hard for this. For example, I thought AA Gill might have criticised the character at some point, as he's famously contrary, but I couldn't find anything. I certainly haven't excluded negative reviews deliberately, I just can't find any; at this point the character seems to be too much of an institution. I'd love to find some just for balance, though.
Popcornduff (
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02:55, 12 September 2015 (UTC)reply
The sentence about Den of Geek is the exact same one used in the lead--change the wording up a bit.
Not done Sorry, I hate to disagree, but I don't see the utility of changing the wording just for the sake of it; this is, as best as I can manage as a writer, the clearest way to express this information. The sentences are at opposite ends of the article so it doesn't harm the reading experience IMO. Is this a deal-breaker for you?
Popcornduff (
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02:55, 12 September 2015 (UTC)reply
Go through your refs with a fine-toothed comb--there's a lot of works missing, no authors, etc. Also, be sure to link the works/publishers at least the first time they're mentioned.
I've started work on this, but I think you've exposed a massive hole in my Wiki knowledge. I don't understand the difference between the website title (which seems to be auto-italicised, confusingly) and publisher. What's the difference, and do I need both? God, I hate referencing...
Popcornduff (
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04:49, 14 September 2015 (UTC)reply
Okay, considering that you use VisualEditor, I won't have any technical advice for you, but I can guess what you're getting at. In references, the website and publisher are included in one field, which is the name of the site in plain words with a link if applicable (i.e. The Guardian). This is probably the publisher field in yours? But the bottom line is that you don't need both, and put the name of the work (as above) not something like guardian.co.uk.
Johanna (formerly BenLinus1214)talk to me!see my work15:46, 14 September 2015 (UTC)reply
I went through all the references a while ago - how do they look to you now? The citation error you mentioned for ref 19 should be fixed too.
Popcornduff (
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07:22, 25 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Um... it isn't. I dramatically rewrote most of the article, especially the Recording and Reception sections, but it still needs more work. I haven't looked at it in a while, though.
Popcornduff (
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03:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)reply
image review comments
I saw the image question on
WP:MCQ and feel I should contribute a comment. I agree with your suspicion about the lede image. It is found on hundreds of webpage by tineye but most have no attribution though
this Guardian webpage attributes it to Steve Coogan PR. Also the mural image is an obvious
derivative work that does not have permission from the artist so I have nominated it for deletion. In the UK 2D "graphic works" are not allowed the freedom of panorama exception. If you can persuade the artist to release it freely it might be ok otherwise, as a non-free image, even if you moved it to the enwiki, it is doubtful that it would pass
WP:NFCC as there is no critical commentary about the mural itself. As was mentioned at MCQ, there is really no visual difference between Steve Coogan and Alan Partridge, so a Steve Coogan image will be acceptable. Hope that helps.
ww2censor (
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12:05, 19 September 2015 (UTC)reply
Thanks. I understand that the mural image should be deleted and I won't contest it.
Reflecting further, this seems like a weird one. I mean, are you saying the same applies to the
Harry Potter (character) article? Or the
Dr Who article? should they not use promo photos of their characters either, and just have photos of the actors instead? I mean, maybe - I genuinely don't know.
Popcornduff (
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13:48, 19 September 2015 (UTC)reply
I've seen this discussed elsewhere but can't put my hand on it. What I am saying is that when there is great similarity between the actor and the character it is hard to justify using a non-free image. Regarding the two examples, the Dr Who article shows a montage of different doctors which is not comparable while the
Harry Potter (character) is indeed much more of the character. The current lede image
File:Alan partridge2.jpg is not very different from a Steve image but the dvdtalk example is IMHO more likely to pass
WP:NFCC. Also remember that when we get to this level of quality we make every effort to use only free images which one might get away with at a B or C-class rating. You are probably best off moving the image to the enwiki and filling the image details something like this one
File:Poppy Meadow.jpg. Good luck chaps.
ww2censor (
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15:44, 19 September 2015 (UTC)reply
Still stumped by this. Tried to upload the DVDtalk image but I was unable to complete the upload wizard because, for example, I don't know the original author of the photo or where it was first used. I could really do with some help with someone more experienced in this area.
Popcornduff (
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08:25, 18 October 2015 (UTC)reply
I've nothing more to add as I just reviewed the images and now the lede image had been deleted you will have to try and find a replacement but do remember that biogrphic article do not have to have a lede image though when they do it looks better.
ww2censor (
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15:10, 27 October 2015 (UTC)reply
@
Popcornduff: I have just removed the lead image for now, as I don't really think it's absolutely necessary if no suitable replacement can be found and this one is questionable at best. However, there are a few comments of mine you have not responded to.
Johanna (formerly BenLinus1214)talk to me!see my work23:30, 24 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Sorry, looks like I neglected to respond there, though I did the work on them a while ago. I'll respond to the comments above in a second.
Popcornduff (
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07:21, 25 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Final assessment
Pass. Wonderful job in responding to my comments!
GA review (see
here for what the criteria are, and
here for what they are not)