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In reference to the Coast Guard Reservist comments 20 years later, I, as a member of the 464th Medium Boat (LCM) Transportation Company in Alexandria, also experienced the day to day recovery of the passengers, plane and personal belongings of the passengers. One of our LCM's was the main Vessel used by Navy divers to deliver the bodies of the pasengers to our vessel, we then had to identify, tag and tie around the chest a rope for shipment to shore. I do not remember the Coast Guard having any responsibility of identifying the bodies. This was all done by our Army Reserve Unit. I remember seeing all frozen faces of all the passengers plus being handled the 2 week old baby from The Navy Divers on Super Bowl Sunday Morning to wrap in a blanket. Yes, the eyes of the baby were frozen with looked like tears coming from his face.
It does not seem like twenty-five years ago. I was working at the airport at the time and I can still remember the awful feeling when I heard about it. Later, I had the opportunity to visit the hangar where the aircraft remains were stored after the NTSB had gone over them. The one thing that forever remains in my mind are the tables filled with the personal effects. Little things like shoes or paperback books. I still see the children's toys lying there. After all these years I still choke up and start to weep. People who work in aviation should see these things. That's when the results of an air crash become very real and human.
Phyllis1753
23:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Since the Pentagon is in Arlington, Virginia, the September 11 attacks technically did not happen in Washington, D.C. You may want to rephrase the above sentence slightly. -- Northenglish ( talk) -- 19:48, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
The Howard Stern reference deleted. It might be appropriate in an article with the title "Howard Stern." It is NOT appropriate here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.240.252.9 ( talk • contribs) .
The issue of relevance to this article has once again been raised. I not only agree with SchuminWeb, but I went further and provided a reference showing that it impacted the DC radio-listening community on the radio for many years afterward. Specifically, 10 percent of the morning drive-time listeners, for perhaps 45 minutes a day, for perhaps 200 days a year, for perhaps six years, ended up listening to someone else due to, indirectly, Florida Flight 90. That's 90 million person-hours. The affected audience was predominantly young males, meaning that Florida Flight 90 defined pop culture for an entire generation of males who were young between 1982 and 1988 (when Howard Stern returned to the DC airwaves via syndication to WJFK) -- DC-area males born between, say, 1956 and 1974. More than just a radio personality change, it actually served as a daily reminder of the Flight 90 tragedy. To the DC community is huge (and perhaps which objectors to including Stern in this article are not a part of), Stern and Flight 90 are intimately, irrevocably, and irretrievably connected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaelmalak ( talk • contribs) 00:42, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
-- Patbahn ( talk) 19:28, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
Does anyone think that this is worthwhile to incorporate?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/11/AR2007011102220.html
This is from the January 12, 2007 edition of The Washington Post. Could be worth something. Thoughts? SchuminWeb ( Talk) 04:40, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
There is a message on the bio of Kelly Duncan that the article should be 'incorporated' into the article. I would disagree as other survivors have their own bio page. In addition, it is of interest to be a separate article, in that it provides an interview describing a personal reflection as to how life-changing the event was.
Finally, other survivors and heroes have their own articles. Wayfarers43 ( talk) 06:50, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
I drove a van from Bolling AFB, with several security police officers on board. We secured the landing area for the helicopter as well as other duties. If I remeber correctly there was a subway accident as well and how we managed to get involved as DCPD was tied up with the subway incident. I recall receiving a Humanitarian Servive Medal for our parcipation. Why is ther n mention of the USAF involvement? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iigeminii ( talk • contribs) 22:49, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
This article contains an unsourced statement that the aircraft attained a maximum altitude of 352 feet. However, the actual NTSB report, to which this article links, says the actual altitude could not be determined, but that modeling showed it was likely between 200 and 300 feet (pages 53-54). 76.23.157.102 ( talk) 09:27, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
The Weather Channel aired an episode of When Weather Changed History "Air Florida Crash" in which survivor Joe Stiley describes talking to the sixth survivor trapped in the tail wreckage. The man said he was caught by debris. Any further insight about how easily (or not) he could have been freed? 71.81.183.206 ( talk) 18:11, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
I think he was stuck between seats or entagled in the seat belts. The other 5 rescued were around the tail section, #6 was more inside the tail section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.125.54.89 ( talk) 18:48, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
I feel that a bit more detail is needed to describe the crew's safety background and short time at the airline. I have already entered more information and a citation for the Captain's training test failures and suspension, but feel the article requires a short but separate section that I am more than happy to write. Captjosh ( talk) 17:53, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
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We need better sourcing for File:N62AF January 1982.jpg. It is currently up for deletion on Commons, and so let's start digging so that we can get a solid source for this image to prevent it from being deleted. SchuminWeb ( Talk) 03:29, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
It appears that he also received a Medal of Valour from the Parks Police.-- Plad2 ( talk) 18:00, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
The Merge tag on this article dates from July 2008 and the "discussion" link goes nowhere. I have posted a query about this at the Aviation Project Talk page-- Plad2 ( talk) 18:00, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
seems is wrong name please check it 31.27.213.176 ( talk) 01:28, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
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what the f***k is this?!? is this cyberbot-bullshit responsible for these faulty numbers of survivers? Kulturbastardo ( talk) 01:24, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
the article states in the infobox and beginning despite the fact of getting the numbers right in the events-of-crash-section:
Survivors 14 (15 initially)
Fourteen passengers and one flight attendant survived and were rescued from the crash...Five motorists on the bridge were killed.
both are wrong. nearly every source reads 5 survivers from the plane and 4 killed motorists. I dont know who editet those numbers in, but whoever gave those faulty changes a pass, is the real one to blame here, right? especially when the RIGHT numbers are showing up later in the article:
Four of the crew members (including both pilots) died. One crew member was seriously injured.[4]:10 70 of the 74 passengers died.[4]:10 19 occupants were believed to survive the impact, but their injuries prevented them from escaping.[4]:76
Of the motorists on the bridge involved:[4]:10
4 sustained fatal injuries 1 sustained serious injuries 3 sustained minor injuries
I am gonna change these numbers now. Kulturbastardo ( talk) 01:22, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
I think the numbers were messed with again... mmccull9039c
I really don't think this belongs in the "Airliner accidents and incidents involving ditching" category. The page for ditching defines it as a situation where "the flight crew knowingly make a controlled emergency landing on water"-which is the exact opposite of what happened to QH90. 184.1.71.147 ( talk) 02:59, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
> The inaccurate mixture was the result of the replacement of the standard Trump nozzle, "…which is specially modified and calibrated, with a non-modified, commercially available nozzle." The operator had no means to determine if the proportioning valves were operating properly because no "mix monitor" was installed on the nozzle.[4]:57–58
I'm sorry, this just made me laugh. I guess it was designed by an unrelated person with the surname Drumpf?
Is this subtle vandalism? Or is it just a strangely named nozzle type? Looks like it's just a strangely named deicing vehicle.
Ellenor2000 ( talk) 02:35, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
I found the airliner involved in the accident, here:
https://aviation-safety.net/photos/displayphoto.php?id=19820113-0&vnr=1&kind=PC That one is from January 1982 same year of accident.
https://aviation-safety.net/photos/displayphoto.php?id=19820113-0&vnr=2&kind=PC
This one is from December 1980.
They’re both from ASN so is it possible we could ask to use these images as it is the aircraft invoked in the accident?
OrbitalEnd48401 ( talk) 15:22, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
The plane had pitched up due to icing and angle of attack was reduced. The Safety Board concluded that the accident could have been avoided if the pilot(s) had ordered full throttle to the engines. This was reported in the August 11, 1982 edition of the New York Times. Therefore even with compromised performance due to icing the tragedy was avoidable when the plane was in the air, even after the mistakes made by the pilots. This wikipedia entry should make mention of this finding published by the NTSB. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.120.156.79 ( talk) 20:09, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
It is true, but there is no mention of the fact that the closure was also implemented to clean the runways at intervals since the airport only allowed a single take-off or landing operation at a time; they had to remove the snow from the runways to return it to a safe operating condition. The speaker is a certified and practicing airline pilot and details the full sequence of the unfortunate incident here at 2:00
Regards, Tonifa ( talk) 03:16, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
References
Could a diagram of where the passengers were sitting (like in other plane crash pages) be included in this article? If there is one, then sorry. I have read a couple of these so I might have forgotten what articles had diagrams Bucky winter soldier ( talk) 14:45, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
Was any attempt made to remove the wreckage from the water? How deep is the Potomac at that location? Is the wreckage a danger to anyone for any reason? Removing the wreckage likely would provide opportunity to acquire more data about the actual crash. 2603:6010:4E42:500:98A9:59D1:8694:9D60 ( talk) 03:07, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
so the article they printed here says rescue workers were not able to enter the River due to hypothermic conditions and the ice well the so-called rescue workers or Heroes as they like to call themselves did nothing while a civilian jumped in and saved a woman if four or five of them jumped in the poor fellow who sacrificed himself would have lived. So two a civilian just standing on the shoreline did more than any rescue worker on the ground the helicopter Personnel were exemplary. Shojohn ( talk) 05:35, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
The article claims the bridge was "0.75 nmi (1 mi; 1 km)" from the runway. Looking at Google maps I get closest to 1 mi which would be 1.6 km or 0.9 nautical miles. Regardless of the correct distance, 1mi is not 1km and makes a distracting nonsense. 92.22.233.255 ( talk) 15:22, 10 April 2024 (UTC)