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You forget to mention famous Afro German musicians like Sugar MMFk and Manuellsen, they deserve to be on that list — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:CB:4F22:BD00:F019:7111:CB35:AFA2 ( talk) 18:44, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
The whole article is a philosphical insult and transfers american racial concepts to a totally different context. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.130.227.149 ( talk) 19:51, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Nothing in this part of the article has been properly cited. It is all hearsay. Can anyone with better knowledge in the subject attempt to verify the claims and 'cite' as needed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Orasis ( talk • contribs) 17:01, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
There is no such thing as Afro-Germans.
I have just edited a part of the first section because I found it biased, unproven and POV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.75.205.231 ( talk) 10:58, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
This page has some serious translation errors in it. Some of it is so bad I can't even figure out what they're trying to say to correct it.. Please help fix it if you have time. TastyCakes 03:54, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
I doubt, that the integration of Afro-Germans was made possible by the so-called "Americanization"... Anyone opposing? -- 217.227.191.237 15:09, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
This article has too many SPG errors. I've fixed a few but have given up. Also, what the hell does this sentence mean?:
"To become invisible with the evident visibility and compulsion had become less a life condition than an act of balance."
138.243.129.4 10:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
German is an ethnic group native to Germany and the term Afro-German is even close to being commonly used. Wikipedia should not make new identities for people. Wikipedia is not an instrument for social change. Social change first happens and then Wikipedia can write about it. For now we cannot have an article with this title. It should be moved to Black-Africans in Germany (similar to Turks in Germany, Greeks in Germany, etc).
Here's your WP:Third Opinion!
As far as I can tell there's a significant precedent for using the term 'African-German' in scholarly literature. There's even academic precedents for the term 'Afro-German', though I would hesitate to use it.
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help)Given this (especially the huge weight of the second article), I can't see any reason to move the article from 'African-German'. If you have any comments, please visit my talk page! - Rushyo ( talk) 10:47, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Since there's no official style, as far as I can see, to be followed in this situation I'm loathed to state any kind of personal opinion that might be misinterpreted as a formal judgment. The overly semantic nature of the debate means that there is no obvious solution. I would not support 'Black-Africans in Germany' as a term, however, simply on the grounds that the term does not see widespread academic use.
'Africans in Germany' would make more sense to me, but not specifically any more than 'African Germans'. However, given the additional weight of an apparent precedent on Wikipedia I would lean towards 'Africans in Germany' for now. I would not opt for 'Afro-German' or 'Black-Africans in Germany' due to a lack of notability. - Rushyo ( talk) 14:06, 22 June 2008 (UTC) You should change the name to black-german! 30-50% of the so called african-german population is in fact of african-american descent so i dont think afro or african-german is a correct term for the entire black german population! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.224.65.228 ( talk) 19:22, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
The data that is not supported by a sitation in the introduction is wrong. The UK does have a question regarding ethnicity on the census and this has been quoted on wikipedia as 1,148,738 Black or Black British (2001 census) [1]. This is nothing like 10 times 300,000 - 500,000 Afro-germans so the missinformation should be deleted. ( Liveupdate ( talk) 04:01, 11 December 2009 (UTC)).
Most of the people in this section are German citizens and so no longer African. Another problem is that there are a large number of people who have one white German parent and one black parent who is often African-American. This means that it is questionable whether they are black (perhaps there needs to be a german multiracial/mixed heratige page)but definately means they are German.
Just for the music section:
German born (hence not African but German) black people include: Taktloss Nadja Benaissa (she is not black: half Morroccan and half German ethnic Roma) Cassandra Steen
Mixed race Germans on the list include: Samy Deluxe Jonesmann B-Tight (born in US to German mother, grew up in Berlin) Joy Denalane Francisca Urio Mark Medlock Jessica Wahls Rob Pilatus
Afrob (is Italian not black African, he does have Eritrean heritage) Haddaway (is Trinidadian not black African, just black)
This does reiterate some of the comments earlier on the disscussion page but still needs to be improved. They are black or mixed race German citizens. Not black Africans in Germany orblack African rap musicians in Germany. ( Liveupdate ( talk) 04:33, 11 December 2009 (UTC))
Please someone proof that this is the case. Otherwise it should be removed. These are accusations I've never heard of. Wikipedia is not the place for speculations. -- Maturion ( talk) 12:17, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
Interracial marriage prohibited after world war II? I doubt that and would like to see a source. The Nuremberg Laws were not in effect anymore. Possibly an American Law? 78.35.204.32 ( talk) 15:06, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
A great part of them are not "Black" but Arab and Berber from North Africa.-- 81.36.200.154 ( talk) 04:19, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
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This is the opinion of one author but not a fact! Emotions have nothing to do with facts which can be prooved... (alternatve facts stuff) I feel very well as a German with dark skin and the English wikipedia has got a strong "movie-view" which always reminds on scenes from Schindlers List or whatever. The truth is, that the situation is and has always been much more complicated and complex than this article prsesnts it. I wish more detailed research and not a Primary School article. Thx! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:810A:1140:59DC:F0DC:9CD:E499:1816 ( talk) 11:55, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
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"Cities with considerable populations of Afro-German descent include the following:[15][16][17]" - #17 ( http://www.bpb.de/nachschlagen/zahlen-und-fakten/soziale-situation-in-deutschland/61646/migrationshintergrund-i) doesn't mention populations with Afro-German descent; #16 ( http://isdonline.de/) doesn't seem to have any statistics at all; #15 ( http://www.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/statis/login.do?guest=guest&db=EWRBEE) doesn't work, but if it would, it would only show figures for Berlin. So where are those numbers traken from? Those sources aren't valid. -- StYxXx ( talk) 18:12, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
"The first Black People in Germany were there around the Dark Ages, then in the 17th century" Dark ages? Can we have that a bit more meaningful? Unfortunately, the source given is a book not available to me, but I lean to remove the "Dark Ages" reference as pointless claim. Wefa ( talk) 06:05, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
What about Afro-Germans in the GDR?
@ Belevalo: If you want to make a change and you see that another editor disagrees, you should take the discussion to talk ( WP:BRD). I disagree for these reasons: A source from 2005 cannot support a claim about the number of Afro-Germans in 2022. The census data are only about people having at least one grandparent born in sub-Saharan Africa. What about Black people who immigrated from the Americas ? And, even more important: There are families who have been living in Germany for more than a 120 years. Rsk6400 ( talk) 19:29, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Please note that Belevalo has been blocked indefinitely for edit warring and for personal attacks, see User_talk:Belevalo#Indefinitely_blocked. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 14:59, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
represents foreign nationals of sub saharan Africa that live within Germany and are registered in the Central Register of Foreign Nationals (Germany). The statistical offices in Germany don't collect data on ethnicity, but only on nationality. So this is the closest possible distribution map at the moment. Descendants of these foreign nationals will be "Germans with African background". If you want to include only "Germans with African background" in this article, you need to edit quite a bit. Entrance sentence says "Afro-Germans (...) are people of Sub-Saharan Africa descent who are citizens or residents of Germany" The source of the second sentence bases its entire statistical analysis on exactly the same foreign national numbers that this map uses.
"Afro-Germans are found across Germany, but are mostly situated in larger cities, such as Hamburg, Darmstadt, Frankfurt, Munich, Bremen, Cologne, Mainz and Berlin. [1]"
must be changed to
Foreign nationals from Sub-Saharan countries are found across Germany, but are mostly situated in larger cities, such as Hamburg, Darmstadt, Frankfurt, Munich, Bremen, Cologne, Mainz and Berlin.-- Hi, future humans! ( talk) 19:33, 7 November 2022 (UTC)