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It was a good idea. The deadline for Gonzalez and the Red Sox to reach a deal is 2pm tomorrow.
[1] If they don't reach a deal by then, the trade is off. --
Muboshgu (
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23:29, 4 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Incorrect. The deal will still go through if they don't reach an agreement. Gonzalez does not have a no trade clause and will go to Boston regardless of an extension being in place or not. ---THE TRUTH----
The deal is conditional on the Red Sox signing him to an extension. Gonzalez can't veto the deal, but the Red Sox can back out. --
Muboshgu (
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17:33, 5 December 2010 (UTC)reply
The sources are conflicting on this issue. Either way, we need to wait for an official announcement before changing the information.--
TM18:26, 5 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Reportedly, the Sox and Gonzalez failed to come to terms on an extension, and the Sox are hesitant to go through with this trade if they're only guaranteed one year of Gonzalez, but there are no definitive reports that the deal is on or off at this time. --
Muboshgu (
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20:06, 5 December 2010 (UTC)reply
This is where I will make my case as to why I think "2011-Present" should be added to AG's info Box:
1) it's listed in his main article ("Boston Red Sox (2011-Present")
2) look at
Cliff Lee's page. Clearly says "Philadelphia Phillies 2011-Present".
3) While it may be true that "future-present" is impossible...it is virtually certain that he will play for the team in 2011; as such, adding "2011-Present" when he has a commitment to play for the team in 2011 is, in my view, acceptable. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Boston Burkenation (
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contribs)
03:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC)reply
(1) I don't know what that means; (2)
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't a valid reason to do something, we've been reverting it there too; (3) "Virtually certain" violates
WP:CRYSTAL. What if he suffers a career ending injury in spring training and never plays a game for them? Could happen.
That said, I'll put in place the compromise suggested on
WT:BASEBALL and we'll see if that works. If IP's keep changing it to "2011-present", I'll take it off entirely. Again. And again. All the way until he makes an official appearance for the Red Sox. --
Muboshgu (
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03:53, 19 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Requested move
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Oppose Let's not use the Google raw number of hits results one way or another as I have found them to be unreliable with regards to specific number of hits when > 1000 (see
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Search engine issues for more info). Still more troubling is when I remove the "-wikipedia" option to theoretically not limit pages that include the phrase "wikipedia", the number of hits goes down (when removing limitations should cause the results to go up). With all due respect to
WP:COMMONNAME, I will make an exception and use
WP:COMMONSENSE in this unique case that is not pushing a totally foreign alphabet; only extra
diacritics are being added, and redirects to the article without the marks already exist. I support its usage to reflect native spellings based on a person's
cultural heritage. —
Bagumba (
talk)
23:35, 20 July 2011 (UTC)reply
Support. The sources seem to tend not to include an accent. For what it's worth, the subject himself leaves out the accent on his own websites:
[3];
[4]Dohn joe (
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00:07, 23 July 2011 (UTC)reply
Neutral Curious case. As far as I am concerned, one authoritative source with diacritics is enough. If he was Mexican national, I would have unhesitatingly opposed this request. However, I'm puzzled at how he acquired his diacritics, as he was born north of the border. --
Ohconfucius¡digame!07:19, 26 July 2011 (UTC)reply
As I noted below, the "authoritative source" - Baseball Reference - includes diacritics for this person, but not for his brother. Of course, there may well be a reason for that discrepancy, but it isn't explained on that site. Note: I should add that, notwithstanding my scare quotes, I do consider Baseball Reference to be quite authoritative on baseball in general - but no one's perfect....
Dohn joe (
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16:13, 26 July 2011 (UTC)reply
Support Whenever I see his name referenced in news articles, it is often without the accents. I myself typed in his name without the accents and was shocked when this page did not instantly come up. I support changing it and think it will make it easier and more user friendly.--Mordecairule 19:40, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
I moved the page here (with the accent marks) because
that's how he's listed in B-Ref, which is usually accurate on those things. Many articles in the American media leave out accent marks that should be present. I'd love to see if anyone with greater knowledge than I can assert one way or the other. –
Muboshgu (
talk)
18:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)reply
That is but one source out of millions. If one source out of millions said X was Y, that does not mean that it is fact, especially given that millions more say X is not Y.
To be fair, the naming is probably consistent with most MLB players' article names to use the extended Latin alphabet, so it might not have been seen as controversial; hence no
move request. Perhaps there is a convention (or one needs to be created ) by
WikiProject_Baseball? —
Bagumba (
talk)
21:06, 20 July 2011 (UTC)reply
There currently is a
RfC going on wikipedia wide on their use or non-use and after about 3 weeks its currently split 50/50. Its something that most of the community can't seem to agree on and has been debated for years. -
DJSasso (
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17:30, 21 July 2011 (UTC)reply
As far as Baseball Reference is concerned, they use the accent marks for Adrian, but not his brother:
[5].
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Ethnicity
Due to my WikiBreak I missed some edits. One of the edits I missed was the wikilink to his ethnicity,
Mexican American, was removed. I understand per MOS ethnicity is not necessary in the introduction, it should be mentioned given that it is significant enough that the subject of this article has twice played for the Mexican team in the WBC. There should be somewhere within the article that this can be integrated smoothly. --
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20:44, 22 December 2011 (UTC)reply
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It seems clear though that having a Mexican mother would qualify one as being “of Mexican decent.” The article doesn’t say “of entirely Mexican descent.” I’m going to edit this out of the sentence, but keep the source. If there are objections, let me know.
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