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A fact from Ach Gott, wie manches Herzeleid, BWV 3 appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 23 January 2016 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Disambiguation and application of a uniform Bach Cantata format.
I have gone through the twenty-some pages currently existing on Wiki for the Church cantatas, after editing a
Bach Cantata Pilgrimage section, and thought I'd make an effort to standardize their presentation inasmuch as possible.
Consequently, I've created a few sections: a general intro that contains the German title, alongside a literal translation to English, BWV number, and type of cantata (sacred vs. secular).
This section also contains the prescribed readings and the authorship of the texts, when known, as well as the authorship of the chorale theme.
The articles are completed with a scoring and structure section, followed by the complete German text, in three columns, a list of complete recordings (as I can find online, obviously. I'm sure there are many more recordings).
I plan on applying this template to all articles (existing or to be created) on the cantatas. Any advice/recommendation would be greatly appreciated and surely taken into account.
Shouldn't "heartache" be "Heartache", if "Herzeleid" has the 'H' capitalized?
No. Firstly, German has different capitalization rules (no specials for titles, nowns always capital. Secondly: the English is no title, just a translation, one of several possible. --GA
"cantata cycle of chorale cantatas" - try not to repeat the word "cantata".
Find a way please, - I don't ;) --GA
How about "as part of cycle of chorale cantatas"? When we state "cycle of chorale cantatas", it implies that the "cycle" is referred to as "cantata cycle" and we won't have to repeat "cantata". Yash!05:21, 14 January 2016 (UTC)reply
That doesn't express (what the uninitiated should know) that he wrote several cantata cycles (we count three, his obituary even mentions five) of which the second is of all chorale cantatas. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
06:33, 14 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Is something wrong with my phone, PC and laptop or are you seeing the "Scoring and structure" in the lead as well as in the prose too?
Do mention "Ach Gott, wie manches Herzeleid" in: "The cantata is a chorale cantata based on the hymn in 18 stanzas attributed to Martin Moller (1587)."
done --GA
"In movement 2, stanza 2 is expanded by paraphrases of stanzas 3–5. Movement 3 is a paraphrase of stanza 6. Movement 4 incorporates ideas from stanzas 7–14. Movement 5 relies on stanzas 15 and 16." - these are four tiny sentences and should be merged. They can easily be made into two sentences by using "while" or "and" or something similar.
Would you help, please, not easy for me? I thought that with all these confusing numbers, the more similar the construction the easier to understand. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
13:46, 12 January 2016 (UTC)reply
"In movement 2, stanza 2 is expanded by paraphrases of stanzas 3–5, while movement 3 is a paraphrase of stanza 6. Movement 4 incorporates ideas from stanzas 7–14 and movement 5 relies on stanzas 15 and 16." - it is optional though. I suggested it cause small sentences disturb the flow and are avoided as much as possible. Yash!05:21, 14 January 2016 (UTC)reply
"Unusual", how, or according to whom, or as compared to what? Better to not use words such as "unusual" without reasonable explanation since they appear subjective.
It's explained after the ":", - normally a recitative is sung by one voice, but here with chorus and by four different voices: highly unusual by any standard. I looked at most Bach cantatas and found nothing similar. --GA
"in "bright E major", the voices are, as the Bach scholar Christoph Wolff writes, embedded in a "dense quartet texture"." -> "in "bright E major", as the Bach scholar Christoph Wolff writes, the voices are embedded in a "dense quartet texture"."
taken --GA
"providing a bright colour" -> any other term than "bright colour"?