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"Among the earliest research journals were the Proceedings of meetings of the Royal Society in the 17th century." Is this a ref to Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society? If so, the sentence could be reworded and linked to Phil Trans. Nurg 10:53, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Peer review is a central concept for most academic publishing; other scholars in a field must find a work sufficiently high in quality for it to merit publication. The process also guards against plagiarism. Failures in peer review, while they are probably common, are sometimes scandalous (the Sokal Affair is arguably one example, though this controversy also involved many other issues).
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Whose point of view is this, that the system is disorganized? And what does "disorganized" mean, anyway? Is this a denial that there is a system of publishing which bases itself on peer review? Or a denial that the purpose of peer review is to achieve the greatest form of objectivity possible?
Hm, I actually have seen some denials of the latter. Or I should say, complaints that it works out badly in a significant number of cases. Do we have an article about Suppression of science? Or would that be covered in Paradigm shift? -- Uncle Ed 14:34, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
This article takes no proper account of the article on Scientific litrature. The first section, history, refers only to scientific publishing, and should be moved, along with many of the specific links. (I agree with Rbellin)
The history of scholarly publishing in general is a much larger subject, which I do not promise to address--the first step is to find the other articles in WP, if any, as they are not linked. DGG 23:04, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
electronic articles redirects to here, and that is not really obvious. I'm not sure there is a standard term for them, but for the moment I will make a page that explains the concept at least. I have also updated this article a good deal. Links and reference updates will follow. We need an article on History of academic publishing. Merge/rationalization with "scientific publishing" to follow. DGG 06:14, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
the term does not persist--I havent seen it for years. ; have you contemporary evidence for more than its occassional use.? We should start an article "History of the Academic Journal," and then there would be a place for it. I've kept it, but de-emphasized it. DGG 00:56, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Is the situation described different elsewhere? I think it's similar in the UK, but I do not know beyond that. DGG 05:34, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree we are not yet ready for a page on history of academic publishing, though when we are I'd be glad to start one. There are a number of books, and some relevant journals. Was an article actually started and then deleted? But what I'm planning to do as I have the time is build up articles for individual publishers as documentation permits. DGG 06:56, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
If there is objection to some of the material, do not remove large blocks, but explain why here, so it can be discussed and appropriate sources added, or agreement reached otherwise. DGG 04:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I wished to add the following simple rule to explain how to write academic paper effectively. However, Rbellin dosen't want to add it and he removed it already. I'm not sure what is wiki and what is something to be included. In my opinion, every knowleadge which can be represented information (e.g. 0 and 1) is an candidate to be included here. Any opinion? JSK 06:44, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
A college professor once told me that his manuscript was rejected because it was short on filler; he only wanted to include that which he thought was necessary for two semesters on English Composition, but he stated that(on his account, his narrative, lecture) however the publishers said it needed to fit certain specifications of length to be sold; and he went on to say that such publishing companies are owned by or have stock market shares related to petroleum companies...Does any one know where I can find good literature either validating or invalidating such statements with regards to the oil industry influencing college textbooks?-- Recoverypsychology 18:09, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody else see the gross irony of Academic publishing needing citations for more than half a year? What a riot. • Freechild 'sup? 18:41, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm of the opinion that this section is a little too elementary. The role of citations in scientific papers needs a more extended discussion, here or elsewhere. I've shortened it to the basics. and business writing is not academic publishing, so Ive removed that reference. DGG ( talk) 23:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diabetes_management#Standardization_of_Academic_publishing.3F.3F.3F.3F —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.228.190.54 ( talk) 05:49, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
The paragraph on journals in the social sciences has to be changed. It confuses the quantitative, "hard" nature of the hard sciences with the approach taken in evaluating articles for publication. The hard sciences are not "hard" because they are difficult, they are "hard" because they are quantitative, using cleanly defined and inflexible and therefore quantitatively measurable concepts. Economics is quantitative and therefore less of a "soft" science than the other social sciences, but that does have anything to do with publication standards. Not only does it not mean that publication standards are more quantitative, which the paragraph incorrectly states that they are, but it also does not mean that publication standards are more difficult, which the paragraph implies. The paragraph needs a rewrite. Rlitwin ( talk) 18:12, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
It feels like the section is an angry rant rather than a constructive factual informative writing. There might or might not be an issue with political bias in the academia, but there is enough political bias in that section itself, and I don't feel comfortable with it. The section should either be very heavily edited to get the right point across, or deleted completely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.216.165.53 ( talk) 19:08, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Reading the current peer review section, several questions pose themselves: 1/ Who the heck is Rena Steinzor and why should we be interested in her/his views? And 2/ If peer review is so bad, why is it still being used after all these failures. Truth, of course, is that although peer review sometimes fails (and every failure is one too many), overall, it works pretty well. And for every breakthrough article that reviewers/editors failed to recognize, there are hundreds if not thousands where things went well. Same for scientific misconduct: those articles where peer review uncovers problems never get published and we don't hear about them. We only hear about cases where things went wrong and a fraudulent article was published... Perhaps this section should be adapted somewhat to make it more evenly worded. -- Guillaume2303 ( talk) 22:23, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
The first paragraphs defines academic publishing in terms of journals, books, and theses, and then goes on to explain academic journals almost exclusively. Academic book publishing is a big industry, about a third of it consisting of university presses and the other two thirds private publishers (like SAGE, Routledge, etc.). There isn't as much discussion of monograph publishing going on right now, because the same crisis in its economic foundations and business models isn't really happening (but is looming on the horizon). But the relative degree of attention that journal versus monograph publishing are getting among scholars shouldn't affect their relative coverage in an encyclopedic article on academic publishing. I'm not saying there's any reason to look for a 50/50 proportion, just pointing out that this article on academic publishing is almost solely about journals. Rlitwin ( talk)
Would the book The Art Instinct by Denis Dutton be considered an academic book, a popular book, or both? Some books seem to be both. In the front flap of The Art Instinct, it says: "In this groundbreaking new work, Denis Dutton overturns a century of art theory and criticism and revolutionizes our understanding of the arts." The book does not require specialized knowledge: it is written for the general public. Yet, I understand it offers original research of academic significance - in the fields of aesthetics / art theory / art philosophy, criticism, and evolutionary psychology. I understand that for some disciplines, especially in the humanities, books can be both academic and popular; that is, offering a contribution to human knowledge, but written for the lay audience. I suppose that would be ideal for a researcher, if possible. However, in disciplines where specialized knowledge is required to discuss research, popular books have emerged to serve the purpose of summarizing progress for the general public. This ties into the Different fields section of this talk page. I would indeed be interested in seeing more revelation about the whole hierarchy of publishing in the different fields, from academic to popular, and where applicable, the hybrid of academic and popular (popular academic publishing), with attention to the various mediums, from journals to books. There is no article about popular books in general (that is, books written for the wide audience), and their uses. There are two articles about popular science books, Popular science and Science book. - The Aviv ( talk) 04:57, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
As the article notes, this varies a lot by field, even more so than acknowledged in the subsections here. For example, computer science, although often considered some sort of a science, does not primarily publish in journals. There are journals of course, and people do publish in them, but a common maxim is that "the journal is where research goes to die"—it's the home for canonical write-ups of work that has been well-known and studied for at least several years. The new stuff—i.e. the stuff people care about—is almost exclusively published in conferences, several of which ( SIGGRAPH, for example) have prestige within the field equivalent to that of journals in other fields. -- Delirium 21:49, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)
I contributed a question relevant to this discussion under another section of the talk page, Monograph publishing. - The Aviv ( talk) 05:05, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Some of the external links refer to conditions in 1990, and need to be replaced. I have just done that. The open-access section at the end is now 2 yrs old, and I will update it soon, with references. The earlier part of Distribution and business aspects can be improved & sourced, & I will soon, if nobody gets there first. DGG 23:04, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
http://epress.lib.uh.edu/sepb/sepb.html lead to a 404 error on -- Klamma ( talk) 14:32, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
This recent addition by Al_Andaluz_Toledano seems neither necessary nor useful. I suggest the edit be undone.
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I do not agree as the section isn't just about the site but about the ongoing opening of academic publishing in general (the EU announcement being part of that as well). Maybe it would be good to rename the section instead - I'm just not sure of any other good name for it. And lastly who says it's not the "future" of academic publishing (not the site itself but its direction)? I think it would be biased to not include this highly relevant information on the current direction of / major changes in academic publishing.
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I would suggest adding this information to better back up points brought up regarding Publisher and business aspects under the Crisis subheader. The information that I wish to include will appear in italics.
A crisis in academic publishing is "widely perceived"; the apparent crisis has to do with the combined pressure of budget cuts at universities and increased costs for journals (the serials crisis).The university budget cuts have reduced library budgets and reduced subsidies to university-affiliated publishers. The humanities have been particularly affected by the pressure on university publishers, which are less able to publish monographs when libraries can't afford to purchase them. For example, the ARL found that in "1986, libraries spent 44% of their budgets on books compared with 56% on journals; twelve years later, the ratio had skewed to 28% and 72%. Meanwhile, monographs are increasingly expected for tenure in the humanities. The continuing domination of journal and monograph publications as primary venues of scholarly exchange, peer review, and professional validation signifies lingering habits of critical perception and valuation. This is not, however, a limiting factor. Instead, it is an opportunity to collectively imagine and implement new collaborative knowledge environments, publishing models, and critical platforms that take full advantage of existing and emerging digital frames of communication and representation. [1] The Modern Language Association has expressed hope that electronic publishing will solve the issue.
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