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Did you know... that after the 1924 abolition of the Caliphate(illustration shown), numerous leaders vied unsuccessfully to resurrect the title of caliph for themselves?
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There is problematic copying from at least one source -- see
Earwig query. Please address this and ensure that there is no similar copying from offline sources. I confirmed that the article is new enough, is long enough, and appears to have no POV problems. The hook is a little boring/incomprehensible. I'd suggest something like...
Calliopejen1 (
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17:20, 5 July 2019 (UTC)reply
The text flagged by earwig was added in
this edit, attributed to other wikipedia articles including
Ottoman Caliphate. The blog that earwig brings up was written in 2017, but the lines highlighted in earwig were clearly taken by the blogger from our articles. See for example
this 2005 version of our Ottoman Caliphate article: “Initially, the National Assembly seemed willing to allow a place for the Caliphate in the new regime, agreeing to the appointment of Mehmed’s cousin Abdul Mejid II as Caliph upon Mehmed’s departure. But the position had been stripped of any authority, and Abdul Mejid’s purely ceremonial reign would be short lived.” versus the 2017 blog “Initially, the National Assembly seemed willing to allow a place for the Caliphate in the new regime, agreeing to the appointment of Mehmed's cousin Abdülmecid II as Caliph upon Sultan Mehmet's departure. But the position had been stripped of any authority, and Abdülmecid's purely ceremonial reign would be short lived.”
The phrase “Abolition of the Caliphate” almost always refers to this topic, because other caliphates were not “abolished” (they ended in different ways). A search of google books confirms this. And all the four other language wikipedias use the same formulation for their article titles for this topic.
Thanks re: the Earwig text. I guess the only potential issue then is how you count content that has been copied from other Wikipedia articles, because it looks like this article is largely an edited pastiche of content from elsewhere on Wikipedia. I'll defer to someone more knowledgeable about DYK rules for that.
Calliopejen1 (
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18:52, 5 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Thanks @
Calliopejen1: Per
criteria 2b: ”DYK articles may freely reuse public domain text per Wikipedia's usual policy, with proper attribution. However, because the emphasis at DYK is on new and original content, text copied verbatim from public domain sources, or which closely paraphrases such sources, is excluded both from the 1,500 minimum character count for new articles, and from the ×5 expansion count for ×5 expanded articles.” So it’s allowed, but it doesn’t count towards the 1,500 limit.
Also what do you think of this hook and second alternative image I just added above:
Alt 2: ... that after the 1924 abolition of the Caliphate numerous kings, princes and imams vied unsuccessfully for the position?
Is there 1500 chars of new content though? The diff where you added the old content seemed to be the vast majority of the article. Re: alt 2, it's better than the original, though confusing (even in the article itself) because it's not clear how/why people are vying for a position that doesn't exist.
Calliopejen1 (
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19:14, 5 July 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Calliopejen1: The whole lead, the last two paragraphs of Aftermath, and the two image captions are completely new and by my count add up to just over 1500 characters.
Okay, those add up to 1500 characters. I like that new proposal better but "the title" doesn't have an antecedent. How about....
Alt 3 that after the 1924 abolition of the Caliphate numerous kings, princes, and imams vied unsuccessfully to resurrect the title of caliph for themselves?
Where in the sources cited does it mention princes? I'm not immediately seeing it. Once that's cleared up, I think we're good to go.
Calliopejen1 (
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16:38, 7 July 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Calliopejen1: It was my editorial license, since our article on
Amanullah Khan says he was a prince until 1926. But I have read a little more and come up with a more precise version of the same:
Alt 4 that after the 1924 abolition of the Caliphate numerous pan-Islamic conferences failed to find consensus as to which country's leader should resurrect the title of caliph?
Hi, I came by to promote this, but I am surprised that it even passed. Many paragraphs have no inline citations at all, per
Rule D2. And where are the inline cites for the two quotes under "End of the Sultanate"?
Yoninah (
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20:51, 15 August 2019 (UTC)reply
I moved this uncited text here for sourcing at a later date.
The abolishment of the position of Caliphate and Sheikh ul-Islam was followed by a common, secular authority. Many of the religious communities failed to adjust to the new regime. This was exacerbated by the emigration or impoverishment, due to deteriorating economic conditions. Families that hitherto had financially supported religious community institutions such as hospitals and schools stop doing so.