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The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
result: No consensus. See strong arguments below in both support of and opposition to the requested new title. Arguments are steeped in policy, such as
WP:CONSISTENT,
WP:COMMONNAME,
WP:NATURALDIS and so on. As a result, there is no agreement to rename this article at this time. As is usual with no-consensus outcomes, editors are free to attempt to garner consensus for this name change again in a few months, although with such strong arguments as these, there will probably be little agreement/success any time soon.
Kudos to editors for your input, and
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page mover) P.I. Ellsworthed.put'r there04:05, 7 March 2021 (UTC)reply
The common name is "A.C. Milan Women", the official name is "Associazione Calcio Milan". "Women" is just used for commercial reasons, it isn't part of the official name of the club (the same way it isn't for Juventus or Inter Milan).
Nehme1499 (
talk)
16:01, 24 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Commercial in the sense that it is used for common people to distinguish from the men's team. It isn't part of their official registered name. See the Italian Wikipedia page for example (
it:Associazione Calcio Milan (femminile)): firstly it's located at Associazione Calcio Milan (femminile) (similarly to the
German,
French, and
Spanish Wiki pages), not Associazione Calcio Milan Women, or Associazione Calcio Milan Femminile. Secondly, even there it notes what I have said: "L'Associazione Calcio Milan, meglio nota come Milan, conosciuta anche come Milan Femminile o con la denominazione commerciale di Milan Women". In
this official announcement the club is referred to as "AC Milan", not "AC Milan Women".
Nehme1499 (
talk)
16:21, 24 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Nah... We don't cite other wikipedia articles here. See
WP:COMMONNAME and a basic Google search, including their own official website (#1 Google result): AC Milan Women Roster.
Hmlarson (
talk)
Actually the real wikipedia policy is
WP:criteria but most of the time common name fit all the criteria and at the same time some subject has multiple common names so that the guideline allow editors to decide one. And some times , likes Foo national football team is not purely based on common name policy, (since the common name is Foo)but a way to have a naming convention and disambiguation.
Also Please don't cite primary source. All mention of the club in primary source are official name, and no way to prove the official name is also used commonly by fans and media.
Matthew hk (
talk)
11:35, 25 January 2021 (UTC)reply
The title in its current form implies that the club's official full name is "Juventus Football Club Women", which is not the case. The club is officially called "Juventus Football Club", and is commercially called "Juventus Women" for convenience (see Juventus.com). The name should have the disambiguator (women), just as in other similar cases (see
FC Bayern Munich (women), or
Everton F.C. (women)). Also, pretty much all other Wikipedia variants of the page (Italian, French, Spanish, German, etc.) use "(women)".
Nehme1499 (
talk)
19:48, 25 January 2021 (UTC)reply
If these are similar situations, with disambiguation needed and the natural disambiguation commonly in use (it doesn't need to be the most common name, just common enough to be easily recognisable), then in due course these should be moved. But nothing urgent, no great harm is being done.
Andrewa (
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09:19, 2 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Yes, and if this RM fails, those might need to be reviewed in view of that. That's exactly the same point that was made above, and the same reply.
Consensus can change and while we do strive for
consistency, that doesn't mean we should be consistently wrong.
Andrewa (
talk)
20:19, 2 February 2021 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.