900 West Randolph was a Art and architecture good articles nominee, but did not meet the
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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that 900 West Randolph, Chicago's first high-rise building built by a black-owned construction firm, has penthouses that can be rented for over $20,000 per month?
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Overall: Good article. The phrase "presented at 43 stories" reads a little awkward to me. Great photos here. If we're using the photos with the hook, we'll need a (pictured) in there somewhere.
gobonobo+c16:49, 14 July 2023 (UTC)reply
"tallest building west of Halsted Street and the tallest west of Halsted in the West Loop by a wide margin" – the latter distinction seems hyper-specific to me.
"it was redesigned a few times after its initial proposal. It was originally proposed to have 51 stories and was eventually built with 43." – Suggest scrapping the first part and rewriting the second roughly as "It is 43 stories tall, slightly shorter than the original proposal of 51 stories after a series of redesigns." (tweak as you wish)
MOS:SANDWICH problem at the beginning of the "History" section. I personally don't find the maps very helpful anyway, but it's up to you on whether to keep them.
"Unlike Related Midwest's..." – "unlike" doesn't quite work here because grammatically it is attached to the subject of the main clause ("Neighbors of the West Loop Development Committee") but logically it should be attached to the object ("the proposal").
"Related Midwest selected Bowa Construction to be the first construction company owned by a person of color" – unless Related Midwest specifically selected Bowa because they were owned by a person of color, this is slightly inaccurate. Should be something like "Related Midwest selected Bowa Construction to build the skyscraper, making it the first construction company owned by a person of color..."
Reliable sources cited inline – Sources are cited inline and are reliable (e.g., newspaper sources like The Chicago Tribune and Crain's Chicago Business). Curbed Chicago appears to be a reliable-enough source (perhaps not FA-quality but good enough for GA). Related Midwest okay for uncontroversial self-information.
Original research – See ref spotchecks below. Pass.
Copyright violation –
Earwig shows no copyright problems, only a direct quote. Pass.
Broad in its coverage – changes requested
It is common for Wikipedia articles about buildings to have a description of the building's architecture and site, separate from the history section. See the "Site" and "Architecture" sections of
Seagram Building for an example of what I have in mind. Is there anything notable to say about the architecture itself? What materials is it made of? Can its form and facade be described?
Are there sources that at least say what materials the building is made out of, and what the building's form is? (From the pictures it appears to be a roughly square tower rising straight up with no setbacks from a larger base.)
rblv (
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13:38, 4 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Stable – No ongoing edit wars or content disputes. Pass.
Illustrated – Relevant images, properly licensed, with appropriate captions. Pass.
Ref spotchecks (three references chosen by random number generator):
6: 18 stories, 260 units, OKW Architects, and landmarked building rehabilitation verified from source. The source does not mention Related Midwest. This is a little pedantic, but the article says "in the center of the block" while the source says "at the heart of the plan"; I'm not sure these mean exactly the same thing.
TonyTheTiger, I haven't forgotten about this. I am planning to another round of copy-editing by next week and show you my suggested changes. After that, I think it will pass the criteria.
rblv (
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13:04, 13 October 2023 (UTC)reply
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TonyTheTiger: Here's where we're at. I took a stab at rewriting the lead and "Architecture" section (
User:Rublov/900 West Randolph), but I didn't touch "History". The flow in that section is still very choppy and there's a lot of trivial detail that makes it hard to read. Happy to elaborate with specific examples if it's not clear to you. I can give you another a week to work on that.
rblv (
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12:54, 20 October 2023 (UTC)reply
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TonyTheTiger: Thank you for getting back to me, but I'm afraid that after a month it's time for me to close this review. I have found that the article still does not meet criteria (1) and (3), particularly in the "History" section, which needs a thorough copy-edit and culling of unnecessary detail.
The first three sentences are all disconnected from one another, and their relevance to the article topic is unclear.
The building is situated in the section of Randolph Street known as Restaurant Row. – odd digression from discussing the building's permitting process
for the project that was to be taller than anything west of Halsted – this feels like a detail that's tacked on to an unrelated sentence
that avails additional contiguous footage – I don't think this use of 'avails' is grammatical.
Thus, it has official billing as "the city's first high-rise with an African American Minority Business Enterprise co-leading construction". – kind of repeats the previous sentence; should be integrated better
Lots of unnecessary detail. Not of all this has to go, but altogether it's too much trivial information for a general-purpose encyclopedia article.
with 300 residential units and 220 parking spaces (referring to one of many intermediate design proposals, not the final building)
The first renderings of the building were unveiled at the beginning of February 2018 with a 170 North Peoria address.
according to June 2018 correspondences with 27th Ward Alderman Walter Burnett
The building permit for the project was issued to LR Contracting Company
2,358–3,418 square feet (219.1–317.5 m2) with 12-foot-high (3.7 m) ceilings