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I'm new at this and not quite sure how I should be approaching/doing it. System 32 is the name of Hetich's 32mm system. While this page includes information that applies to all 32mm systems, some of the information provided is specific to System 32 and does not apply to the other mentioned/referenced 32mm Systems. LR32 is a hole drilling jig that can be used to make 32mm system cabinets, it is not the the name of any published 32mm system.
System 32 is a 32mm system which is a subset of frameless cabinetry. Currently Cabinet making points to the rather broad Cabinetry which includes a Types of cabinetry topic which links to frameless construction... which in turn is a furniture-stub and Woodworking-stub, most confusing. Keeping the translated page makes sense, but the current contents of this page belongs on a page with a more appropriate title. I don't know if it should be an expansion of the frameless stub, a new stub, or? Dalrun ( talk) 23:40, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
The original article is about System 32. A key aspect that differentiates System (Varianta) 32 from all other 32mm systems (except Sys32+, an extension of System 32) is "Distance of the holes for the top and bottom is half the plate thickness" (added since you did the translation). Of the listed advantages of System 32, only the last (rows a multiple of 32mm apart) applies to all 32mm systems (its a rule, not an advantage). I would be surprised if any of the books in your Bibliography even mentions System 32... Jim Christ uses "32-mm system" (e.g. pg 53), Danny Proulx has a chapter named 32mm System Design (pg 36) and first uses "32mm system" on page 5... which includes a mention of Hettich's System 32 being the first 32mm system.
Do a search on any of your sources (excepting Hetich's) and try and find any generic mention of "System 32". I also suggest you try finding any reference (excepting C. Carrol's) of a 32mm system called LR32... In a sense it really doesn't matter, any searching or reading will result in the realization that "32mm system" has been, by far, the most common generic name for at least the last 20 years. Woodweb has had a lot of 32mm discussions over the years, try searching the Woodweb Knowledgebase... Three out of four "System 32" posts that I found were mine, the fourth was actually a reference to Blum's Process 32 (name mix-up). It sounds like you want this to be a generic page in which case the title, and some of the content, is absolutely incorrect... The only System 25 I know of is a metal shelving system (if you'd read about the history of the 32mm system, you would know that a 25mm cabinetmaking system was not a possibility). The only 32mm standards are based on hardware (e.g. hinge plate and drawer slide) hole spacing; rows of holes 32mm apart, the first row 37mm from the front and all others (typically 1 or 2) some multiple of 32mm behind the first. Dave Lers AKA Dalrun ( talk) 01:07, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
The corpus already exists in your Bibliography, References and External links (the point of my previous post). While most may not be easily accessible, e.g. 32mm Cabinets, Fine Woodworking Nov/Dec '87 ("cabinetmaking process known as the 32mm system", pg 57), I can supply at least a handful more if it would help. Logic alone would suggest not using a system specific name to describe a family of systems. That you would even question what I have taken for granted for almost 30 years just blows my mind, but after looking at the Festool forum I can see where you are coming from. What do I need to do to convince you that the Festool forum is a lousy source? While there are many useful bits of information, like most forums, most of it is imprecise and incomplete.
Would it help if it was a Festool source: The 32mm System and the Festool Hole Guide (32mm system: 13, System 32: 0)? It is an interesting source in that it says "FYI, the ~41.5mm dimension shown here is not a standard even with 19mm thick stock". It just so happens that it is a System 32 specific standard (half panel thickness start hole, 9.5 + 32 = 41.5). That standard is described in your Program Overview: System 32 External link. That standard separates System 32 from all other 32mm systems.
It is a very important distinction because System 32 can only be used to make half overlay 32mm system cabinetry (VS the more common full overlay). C. Carrol recognizes this distinction: Re: LR 32: 16 up and out or 32 up and out? "The current end stops do have a 9.5mm setting. That is half of 19mm, a very common European plywood thickness. In Euro frameless cabinet design a popular door is a half-overlap. inset 9.5mm.". C. Carrol's imprecise and incomplete posts, though not uncommon on forums, are unfortunate; 19mm is also a very common US plywood thickness (.748"), the "half-overlap" is actually 8mm and the reveal is 11mm (when using 3mm gaps, 8 + 3 + 8 = 19).
It's incredibly unfortunate that someone who knows what half overlay 32mm system cabinets are (few do) would use the term System 32 generically. The problem is compounded when he uses it to describe full overlay cabinets Re: Lr 32 system "Under System 32 all cabinet sides were multiples of 32mm." Who knows if he's talking about the '93 Process 32, True 32, or what. The only 32mm system cabinet that can be built with sides that are a multiple of 32mm tall is full overlay. System 32 panels are a multiple of 32mm plus panel thickness tall and can only be used to build half overlay (or inset) 32mm system cabinetry. Dalrun ( talk) 20:47, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
@ Dalrun:, I've restructured the content after moving the page, for better flow and to make appropriate locations for the other changes you're suggesting. Based on the current state, what else do you think needs to be done? Here's my starting list: