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The claim of Iran-Pakistan skirmishes does not meet the definition of skirmishes, there were only two missile attacks and not a ground conflict and should be merged into Insurgency in Balochistan.
Merge, It's difficult to determine notability when the event is so
recent. It is noteworthy as an event that is caused by the insurgency, but it's hard to know the long-term impact of the event when it just happened.
AlexandraAVX (
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11:12, 18 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose, nations broke off high level relations and called back ambassadors. Both nations have bombed each other sovereign territory without the approval of the other. This isn’t just any other event that deserves a passing mention, this is an unprecedented turn of events that deserves its own unique page.
VirtualVagabond (
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16:21, 18 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose while of course related, I think the current events and the surrounding international situation is distinct enough to warrant its own article. Would also overwhelm the Balochistan article, especially if the other current merges are successful.
Yeoutie (
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16:33, 18 January 2024 (UTC)reply
It should be merged into Insurgency in Balochistan. The source proves that both countries are targeting Baloch separatists in each other's territory, and there is no direct armed conflict between the two militaries.
Eupakistani (
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05:16, 23 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Merge somehow, there are currently three articles, one for the Iranian strikes into Pakistan, one the other way 'round, and this one (the title "skirmishes" is incorrect, as the other editor mentioned above). I don't think merging to
Insurgency in Balochistan is on topic for that article. Abductive (
reasoning)21:21, 18 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Merge, It should be merged into Insurgency in Balochistan. The source proves that both countries are targeting Baloch separatists in each other's territory, and there is no direct armed conflict between the two militaries.
Eupakistani (
talk) 1:20, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Foreign nationals
There were no Iranian nationals killed in the airstrikes conducted by Pakistan on Iranian soil according to Iran so please remove the "9 killed" figure in the casualties section of Iran.
182.181.237.103 (
talk)
14:45, 18 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Seems like one article for this series of incidents would be better to prevent clutter. Not too much distinct notability in these separate articles anyway.
TheDoodbly (
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15:00, 18 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose both merges. This article is synthesis and creates a false narrative of ongoing conflict. It's best that this article be deleted and other kept.
Ecrusized (
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15:25, 18 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose For it to be considered a “skirmish”, there needs to be a military confrontation of some sort. However, that hasn’t happened. For the same reason, combining the two and presenting it as a skirmish would be synthesis, as what we have instead here is two countries targeting what they claim are their own citizens (and members of proscribed outfits) on each other’s territories. Mar4d (
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16:25, 19 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose Delete this article while preserving the other, as it perpetuates a misleading narrative. Simply examine the infobox, where one side associates the State of Pakistan with Jaishul Adl and Pakistan Armed Forces, while the other side aligns Iran with BLA.
Sheriff |
☎ 911 |
04:15, 20 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Event has developed into a back-and-forth conflict, so it'd be easier to group all of the information into one article. These breakoff articles also don't have as much notability to exist on their own.
TheDoodbly (
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15:11, 18 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose both merges per current condition. Both parties performed their airstrikes under the veil of anti-terrorism with the ostensible target being Baluchistan militants, and there's no declaration of war or aggression from neither party. Furthermore, even if theses airstrikes exist as independent articles, there is no reason to cite notability and appeal for removal of these articles. There are several articles of independent and military actions with little or no escalation afterwards, for example
Operation Martyr Soleimani among others.
Fallen Legends (
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18:32, 18 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose both merges. This article is synthesis and creates a false narrative of ongoing conflict. It's best that this article be deleted and other kept.
Ecrusized (
talk)
15:25, 18 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Purportedly describing an ongoing conflict between Iran and Pakistan, while both sides did not officially attack each others armed forces but alleged terrorist groups located in their territory.
Ecrusized (
talk)
15:40, 18 January 2024 (UTC)reply
totally agreed with @
Ecrusized. There are no 2024 Iran–Pakistan border skirmishes happening at the moment. The title and article is misleading and should be marked for deletion unless the situation changes.
Sy.mehdi.riz (
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18:23, 18 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Support I endorse the merger with an alternative title, 2024 Iran–Pakistan air strikes, as both nations conducted air strikes within each other's territory. The current titles, 2024 Iran–Pakistan border skirmishes and 2024 Iranian missile strikes in Pakistan, are misleading or unsuitable, considering Pakistan's reciprocal response. I propose changing this article's title to 2024 Iran–Pakistan air strikes and consolidating the other one into it. 2024 Iran–Pakistan standoff could be another good alternative.
Sheriff |
☎ 911 |
04:58, 19 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Agreed with you here. The present events are not like traditional conflicts. I would recommend to let remain both pages as it is and Iran-Pakistan skirmishes page should be deleted.
DdBbCc22 (
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11:51, 19 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Then, we change it to 2024 Iran–Pakistan standoff. This title effectively encapsulates the current situation, encompassing skirmishes, air strikes, missile strikes, and more.
Sheriff |
☎ 911 |
15:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Except this isn’t a “standoff”. Pakistani and Iranian forces didn’t target each other, so it can’t really be considered a standoff. Neither was their combat involved, unlike the
2019 India–Pakistan border skirmishes in which a pilot was captured following a dogfight. What we have are two strikes that happened at two different times. Mar4d (
talk)
16:31, 19 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose the nominated mergers of both the articles. This article itself is undue and misleading. It should be renamed to a proper title or either be merged or deleted.
Muneebll (
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10:55, 21 January 2024 (UTC)reply
The link between these skirmishes, the US and the wider Gaza conflict
I notice that the article lacks discussion about the role of these skirmishes in the wider conflict in the Greater Middle East. Virtually all of the media and social media view these attacks in the context of missile strikes in other parts of the Middle East, and in turn that is viewed as being part of the Gaza-Israel conflict and the Houthi conflict in the short term, and more long term a long list of conflict with the US.
CollationoftheWilling (
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12:45, 21 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Uncertain about the media perspective, but personally, I believe it's unrelated to the Greater Middle East conflict and more connected to events around the anniversary of Qasem Soleimani.
Sheriff |
☎ 911 |
13:47, 21 January 2024 (UTC)reply
The bombing was certainly related to Soleimani, but surely all the missile attacks are related to the conflict with Israel, and the Houthis part of the wider US-Iran rivalry?
CollationoftheWilling (
talk)
14:02, 21 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Should be merged into Insurgency in Balochistan, there is no evidence that the air strikes by Iran and Pakistan are related to the United States or Israel, Pakistan supports Palestine and not Israel, this is a conflict caused by Baloch separatism
Eupakistani (
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05:21, 23 January 2024 (UTC)reply