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That guardrail / crash barrier didn't look very strong. I hope the inquiry looks at this. There's no Italian wiki page yet, so I hope that will have some info that can come here.
Lawrence18uk (
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09:23, 4 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Requested move 4 October 2023
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Attention, it happened in
Marghera (south of the railway line), not in
Mestre (which is more to the north, on the other side of the track)! The bus was traveling on a viaduct running along the railway line on the Marghera side (then crashed below, at the end of Via Elettricità, which is also a street in Marghera). Beware of newspaper articles, even Italian ones, which have little knowledge of the place and make errors. Anyway, Marghera and Mestre are both frazoni of the town of Venice and are part of its territory, it is entirely correct to write that the accident occurred in Venice, whose territory is more extensive, notably to the north of the lagoon (terraferma), that its historical and tourist center located in the middle of the lagoon.
Oppose. Being within the "Metropolitan City of Venice" is good enough for the article to be named as Venice, since after all it is still part of. A search on Google News from my location of Singapore turns up
19K for Mestre,
2.5K for Marghera and
149K for Venice, so Venice is the prevailing
WP:COMMONNAME. I should also note that it is directly called "Venice bus crash" in
this BBC article,
this AP article,
this Sky News article,
Yahoo News UK, I don't need to continue listing on, do I? We don't need to be overspecific and complicate matters, especially when the majority of the sources branded it as "Venice" instead of otherwise, and when the town of Mestra is technically still part of the greater Venice area.
S5A-0043Talk00:55, 5 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose per above. English sources are almost universally describing it as Venice. And we also want to retain the year per usual standards and
WP:NCE. —
Amakuru (
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14:19, 5 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose per above. Seeing as Mestre is within the municipal boundaries of Venice the current name is the most logical to describe it. I think that adding the proposed name as a redirect would be a good idea.
Qwerty1871 (
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15:48, 5 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose. It appears through various reputable news sources that the crash happened while inside the city of Venice. As this does not seem to be in dispute, I oppose the request to change the name of the article.
Jurisdicta (
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12:16, 6 October 2023 (UTC)reply
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