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I'm looking for the best picture or any informations about the KAF's U-6 (Beaver). It seem that the KAF had 3 aircrafts.
But in 1971, during the viet cong's sapper attack at the Pochentong Air Base,at least 1 Beaver was destroyed.In 1972
at leat 1 Beaver was refurbished with a new engine.
http://www.khmerairforce.com/AAK-KAF/AVNK-AAK-KAF/Cambodia-Beaver-KAF.JPG
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The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: The contention presented in this discussion is that the opposers argue that the abbreviation is too ambiguous while the supporters argue that this is still the
WP:COMMONNAME. Consensus is that the proposal passes Recongnizability. Resorting policy-bound analysis of the proposal, per
MOS:ACROTITLE, if we examine SEA through
Acronym Finder or
Abbreviations.com, both suggest that SEA overwhelmingly stands for South East Asia or even South East Asian Games. This RMdisc is accepted and the result Move. (
non-admin closure) >>>
Extorc.
talk07:55, 13 May 2023 (UTC)reply
– Although "SEA Games" is the official name based on logo, it also the common name based on Google Trends (see:
1,
2,
3). The title doesn't need to be really descriptive, similar to
World Series (only about USA and Canada).
Hddty (
talk)
09:45, 6 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose: SEA Games is abbreviation of Southeast Asian Games so no need for change in the name of the article/s
And
Generally multi sports are often known by host city or host nation and hosting year like Paris 2024 or Tokyo 2020 or Hangzhou 2022 so the trend is obvious
WikiEdits2003 (
talk)
03:20, 7 May 2023 (UTC)reply
SEA Games is by far the most commonly used name (
WP:COMMONNAME) for the biennial sporting event, both in the local and international press (i.e. the majority of third-party reliable sources) and in official (
WP:OFFICIAL) uses by the organisation itself. It outnumbers "Southeast Asian Games" by several orders of magnitude in the English-language news sites of the region. See for example Google News search results for "SEA Games" vs "Southeast Asian Games",
[1][2] or to be more specific, results from the Bangkok Post,
[3][4]The Straits Times,
[5][6] the Philippine Daily Inquirer,
[7][8] and The Jakarta Post.
[9][10] It is thus recognisable (anyone who knows the event would know it by this title), natural (everyone calls it as such), precise (no other similarly named events exist), and concise (it's short), per the
WP:NAMINGCRITERIA.
Still oppose: As Paris 2024 is more common than 2024 Summer Olympics but still it supports five Wiki characteristics , By abbreviating the name of a multi sports event doesn't make any sense
Sorry, but I can't make any sense of your arguments or see how your examples are relevant to this discussion, so please pardon the lack of response. Also, please don't make multiple bolded !votes—I've struck the one above. --
Paul_012 (
talk)
15:31, 7 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Support, seems to be the
WP:COMMONNAME. The five
WP:TITLE criteria are also met as there isn't ambiguity about SEA Games vs. Southeast Asian Games (unlike say Paris 2024 vs. 2024 Summer Olympics). SEA Games is still as
WP:PRECISE and more
WP:CONCISE than Southeast Asian Games. It being the official name on branding just adds the cherry on top.
EmeraldRange (
talk/
contribs)
11:29, 7 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose show that each edition of the Games is better known as "SEA" instead, not just the 2023 edition. Each edition would need to be checked to see its relevant name per the context of the particular Games, just as how other Games change as times go by. --
64.229.90.172 (
talk)
07:16, 8 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Well, if only some of the games were titled SEA Games, it would be inconsistent to make only some of them "SEA Games" and the others "Southeast Asian Games". If they are, in fact, inconsistent in real life, we should have a discussion about what is the best overall choice.
EmeraldRange (
talk/
contribs)
19:00, 9 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose - Page titles should be as descriptive as possible to enable readers unfamiliar with the topic to access them. This is important as acronyms are often very similar to each other - although the
World Wide Fund for Nature is almost always seen in the form 'WWF', the term has several other unrelated meanings (as can be seen at
WWF). A move would bring these pages into 'conflict' (for want of a better word) with all the other articles at
Sea (disambiguation). — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
49.150.98.50 (
talk)
01:47, 9 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Can you cite a particular guideline or policy to support this reasoning? "Obvious" is a subjective term, and I've never heard of a "no acronyms" rule. — Garrett W. {
☎✍}04:17, 9 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose More obvious to the casual reader if written in full. Suitable abbreviations are already included in the start of the prose. Plus any change would require proof that all editions are commonly (and predominantly) known as such. Completely different to the
World Series which is such a major event, far larger than anything else with a similar name.
Bs1jac (
talk)
14:51, 9 May 2023 (UTC)reply
I was referring to the original comment that SEA doesn't need to be more descriptive similar to the World Series. I feel that "SEA" DOES need to be more descriptive. (PS: I know virtually nothing about the world series, other than it is the biggest baseball event). Ignoring that aside, my point is that Southeast Asian Games should be written in full, in my opinion, because that is what they are, and "SEA Games" doesn't mean much to a casual reader.
Bs1jac (
talk)
19:12, 9 May 2023 (UTC)reply
I am pretty sure nobody I know from outside the region would instantly know what SEA means. As mentioned by Lugnuts in the previous discussion, it sounds like some kind of watersports. Personally greatly prefer it written in full as per the previous discussions, clearer, more descriptive, etc. Don't see any reason for a different outcome this time than on previous attempts, and wonder how many times it is going to be attempted (and then attempted in reverse in years to come), but whatever the admins decide is fine.
Bs1jac (
talk)
09:01, 10 May 2023 (UTC)reply
There are no watersports or its kind with similar page title so I don't think that readers would got confused by the title. In other sporting events I don't think that readers who is unfamiliar would instantly know what its title means:
World Series (what series?),
Division Series (what division?).
Hddty (
talk)
09:47, 11 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Straying into
WP:WHATABOUT here, but to counter, those examples are not comparable as they are not abbreviated. There is no longer name for the World Series (that I know of).
Bs1jac (
talk)
11:30, 11 May 2023 (UTC)reply
While there's the possible argument regarding recognisability to those unfamiliar with the topic, I'd say it runs opposite in terms of recognisability for people who are at least a bit familiar with the topic. Anyone who's heard of the event is much more likely to recognise the name SEA Games than the full name, a bit like the case with
NASA and
UNESCO. I'd say it's comparable to
NBA and
NFL, whose season articles use the abbreviation, though the main articles are admittedly at the full name. --
Paul_012 (
talk)
19:52, 11 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Support Some small things use abbreviations (like
V.League 1 instead of Vietnamese Professional League) even Southeast Asia is
AFF Championship instead of ASEAN Football Federation Championship, and
ASEAN instead of Association of Southeast Asian Nations, if you talk about the "unfamiliar reader" or "causal reader" you should reconsider if AFF Championship should be renamed or moved to ASEAN Football Federation Championship, too. Or you can change your decision about this. I agree that some articles should be renamed, but as this related to AFF Championship and ASEAN, and also many opposes, so I choose support this
Chuanchauau (
talk)
12:09, 12 May 2023 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Constant gold medal inflating by User Indonesiainfo24
Dear @
Indonesiainfo24, I don't know why you keep reverting my edit at the medal table by constantly inflating gold medal harnessed by Indonesian athletes. Per source, which you could look at here ->
https://games.cambodia2023.com/#medalstanding, Indonesian contingent has 56, not 57 gold medals, along with 53 silvers and 72 bronzes respectively.
I am assuming a good faith and personally thank you for your kind contribution. However, I find your very edit of the medal table is a bit odd. If I could ask, do you have other resources that back up the number you keep constantly edit?
I have added the very same issue on his/her/their talk page. Yet till now, I received no answer and the said user @
Indonesiainfo24 keep inflating the number of gold medals earned by Indonesian contingent. He repeatedly reverted our edit that based on said primary source.
Is there anything I could do or address regarding this matter? I am sorry for being rude, but the way he/she/they ignored the source and enforced his/her/their edit is disturbing. Thank you.
Mfikriansori (
talk)
15:31, 14 May 2023 (UTC)reply
The govt of Cambodja bring down the number as shown in their website. Indonesian official from the office of Minister of Youth has much higher gold number complete with the list. All people complaining about the wrong number from the Cambodja govt. It is the same as no respect to the Athletes. They will complain to IOC.
Danfisitb (
talk)
03:07, 16 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Well, we would need a reliable source in order to use those numbers -- and actually a more reliable source, along with a source for why the official numbers are wrong. — Garrett W. {
☎✍}04:52, 16 May 2023 (UTC)reply
The medals from Cambodia website were not corrected. We got the numbers from all media including the minister of youth and sports in Indonesia. If you click Indonesian team, there is the correct list. You can count by yourself.
Danfisitb (
talk)
05:20, 16 May 2023 (UTC)reply
There is no attempt to sabotage the medal tally. Medals are updated periodically after the medal ceremony hence the medals are sometimes delayed (eg: women's 5x5 basketball). I understand there are a lot of controversies to the Indonesian team but try really check the other teams' medals too. The only discrepancy in the medal tally is the pencak silat women's tanding Class B, where it was decided to award two gold medals (upgrading Indonesia to gold) but this has not been updated on the site.
Griff88 (
talk)
13:15, 16 May 2023 (UTC)reply