Q1: Why are we counting the unnamed subtropical storm as a named storm?
A1: Even though it wasn't given a name like Arlene, it was functionally the same as any other named tropical or subtropical storm.
Q2: When can a storm get its own article?
A2: A storm qualifies for a standalone article when it becomes sufficiently
notable. This usually occurs after a storm produces significant land impacts. For more information, see
Wikipedia:Notability (weather)#Tropical cyclones. We also cannot predict if an invest will be notable per
Wikipedia:Crystal ball.
Q3: Why is Gert put before Emily and Franklin?
A3: Gert formed a day before Emily and Franklin and was classified as Tropical Depression Six by the National Hurricane Center (NHC) because it was the sixth tropical cyclone to form during the 2023 season, and we follow the NHC practice of ordering systems by order of formation, not strictly alphabetically.
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We cant really look at projected impacts as it violates
WP:Crystal and they could very easily change.
One question, I have is how related do two storm systems need to be before they get a see also hatnote. I did hear this system might feed into another to the north.
✶Mitch199811✶12:09, 17 November 2023 (UTC)reply
If you're referring to the disturbance that the NHC briefly monitored off the coast of southeast Florida, I'd say that we don't need to make a hatnote of that in the article since it was never a PTC, much less a TC.
JayTee⛈️
13:05, 17 November 2023 (UTC)reply
While against WP:Crystal, I was assuming that that systems got an article and PTC 22 fed into it. Though, my question was more general; how much does a tropical system have to feed into another system for a see also hatnote? Also, would the tropical cyclone's article trump the see also hatnote?
✶Mitch199811✶14:32, 17 November 2023 (UTC)reply
If one tropical system feeds into another then it's mentioned in the tropical cyclone's met history/summary. For example, 2005's Tropical Depression Ten is mentioned in the
Meteorological history of Hurricane Katrina because it fed into the system that turned into Katrina. Since the disturbance off the coast of Florida has not been confirmed to have contributed in any way to PTC 22, it's not worth mentioning. We generally don't leave hatnotes on TC articles unless it's to specify a damage currency, meteorological statistic, etc. For more clarification on how to use a footnote marker see
WP:FOOTNOTES.
JayTee⛈️
17:25, 17 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Eh, right now most news stations are saying forecasted to be deadly or forecasted to produce loads of rain. We should wait a day or two before we decide if it needs an article.
✶Mitch199811✶03:26, 18 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Wiki Education assignment: Research Process and Methodology - FA23 - Sect 202 - Thu
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November 30 is right around the corner meaning the end of the season. I think we should start preparing what the lead could look like now, especially since last year I think we left it unfinished for a couple months.
My proposal:
The 2023 Atlantic Hurricane Season was one of the most active on record. However, most tropical cyclones were industrictive and weak. It had an about average number of hurricanes and major hurricanes (those above a Category 3 on the SSHWS) but an above average ACE.
I would prefer something along the lines of this, personally (the source for fourth-most active is
here):
The 2023 Atlantic hurricane season was the fourth most active
Atlantic hurricane season on record, featuring 20 named storms, 7 hurricanes, 3 major hurricanes, and an above-average
Accumulated Cyclone Energy.
We could expand on this later in the lead:
Despite the above-average number of storms, the number of hurricanes and major hurricanes fell within the climatological average.
In the second paragraph we could note the impactful storms Bret, Franklin, Harold, Idalia, Lee, Ophelia, Phillipe, Tammy and Twenty-One. We could also note (if a reliable source states this) that the season was less destructive and deadly than previous years.
JayTee⛈️
04:02, 25 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Two things:
Do we have to mention that a major hurricane is above a Category 3
Are Twenty-One and Bret really all that impactful? Also, I feel like we should mention Twenty-Two and Unnamed somewhere in there.
1. I believe that should be mentioned in a footnote, yes.
2. I think Bret and Twenty-One are still worth mentioning considering they struck large populated areas. I think Twenty-Two is better off left in the Other Systems section. Unnamed could be mentioned in the first paragraph about how “tropical cyclogenesis is possible at any time of the year, as demonstrated by the formation of…”
One thing that annoys me is that normally we are not supposed to put single digit numbers in logogram form, but instead write them out. However, the existence of twenty-one kinda throws a wrench in the design as we have to put it in logogram form.
✶Mitch199811✶04:28, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Sorry, I misread twenty as twenty-one in JayTee's lead. Could we write out the words for the numbers, e.g. twenty named storms, seven hurricanes, and three major hurricanes? Further, is it possible to rewrite the storm predictions as words?
✶Mitch199811✶11:07, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
I think we should write out the names to differentiate them from the name of TD Twenty-One, thanks for noticing that. Which storm predictions were you referring to?
JayTee⛈️
12:57, 28 November 2023 (UTC)reply
I did some work on the first paragraph, enhancing what had already been done. I think the lead needs a third paragraph addressing how El Niño caused the Bermuda High to be weak, permitting systems to curve northward, as opposed to being pushed westward towards the Gulf or the U.S. Atlantic coast, limiting their impact (death and destruction) on land (Even though there was a high number of systems this year, just three made landfall in the U.S.).
Drdpw (
talk)
21:14, 28 November 2023 (UTC)reply
IP editor, please be patient. MarioProtIV only has so much time and this might not be their priority. If you want it done faster, you can learn all the tricks and download all the programmes and do it yourself.
✶Quxyz✶23:59, 28 January 2024 (UTC)reply
TCR Track Maps In Need Of Serious Update
How come the TCR tracks on certain storms haven’t been updated when the TCR reports for them have been out for a while? I’ve noticed that winds and minimum pressure have been updated but the tracks haven’t. I’d update them myself, but I do not have the software to do so.
2600:1700:ECA0:4820:84DF:A9B0:C28E:E230 (
talk)
19:18, 25 December 2023 (UTC)reply