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Personally, I feel that the logo with the flags is unneccessary and I propose that the logo without the flags be used in the article instead. The logo w/o the flags is also shown on the title page of the official host country summit website -
https://dprk-usasummit2019.mofa.gov.vn/HanoiSummit_CIP.pdf.
Hi, the use of this Logo is in conjunction with the entire city where the conference is held, the news agencies and broadcasters as well as the website of the conference and the foreign ministry, the standard of the Logo. vertical and horizontal with the flag and the name of the conference, you can see these 2 photos to see how widely used this logo:
Unless this is an official logo for the summit, it should be deleted altogether. You can't make up a logo for a Wikipedia article.
NPguy (
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03:43, 27 February 2019 (UTC)reply
Goodtiming8871, one of the many "rules" at WP is that you don't rewrite your comment after someone has replied to it
[1], since this tends to make their comment a bit of nonsense. Better to just make a new comment. More at
WP:REDACT.
Gråbergs Gråa Sång (
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11:03, 28 February 2019 (UTC)reply
It appears that neither of these logos is used officially by the parties to the Summit, the United States and North Korea. Instead, they are used by Vietnam. The same goes for the "official name." The logo is probably OK to use as long as it's not called "official." But the name should not be labeled "official."
NPguy (
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02:37, 1 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Now, I agree with the user's opinon above : "The logo is probably OK to use as long as it's not called "official." ; I think it might be difficult to say it's official log as there are several versions.
Goodtiming8871 (
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05:28, 1 March 2019 (UTC)reply
What next for Donald Trump & Kim Jong-un?
Without the final agreement of the second summit, What next for Donald Trump & Kim Jong-un? Can we add some opinions on this topic from the world on this sudden issue? example: "Trump-Kim meeting: The big moments from the dramatic summit in Vietnam" [1]Goodtiming8871 (
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10:56, 28 February 2019 (UTC)reply
• Free Republic (FR): I realize FR is a conservative opinion site, some might say a rabidly right-wing echo chamber, and I winced at the thought of using it as a source, but as I alluded to in my edit summaries (
"paywalled WSJ article via Free Republic"), I used FR only because it was the only source I could find that contained the full text of a paywalled WSJ article. The FR post links to the WSJ article, which is a very "meaty" piece for this article. I could replace the FR ref with the original WSJ article, but readers would not be able to see the meat behind that paywall.
"nor should this article contain such excruciatingly detailed commentary"
As I see it, Trump's NK gambit is bold, risky and likely highly consequential, and thus warrants substantial comments from subject matter experts, which is what those edits contain.
You definitely can't link to a WSJ article that has been copied onto FR. That's contributory copyright infringement and a violation of
WP:COPYVIO. If the WSJ is the only source where something can be found, it more than likely fails
WP:DUEWEIGHT anyway. I'll take your word on 38North. Regarding Mediaite, I believe that it is a shunned source based on various talk page discussions I've participated in. In fact, I thought it was already on the list at
WP:RSP. -
MrX 🖋
01:13, 8 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Your copyvio comment is well taken, I can just use the WSJ ref, per
Finnusertop. But
Michael R. Gordon has the chops to get exclusive interviews with subject matter experts, which is why his WSJ piece carries weight. Mediaite is not yet mentioned on
WP:RSP, which is why I am now seeking consensus for it. My specific Mediate edit contained quotes and video support for them, so it's pretty indisputable.
soibangla (
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01:22, 8 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Regarding sources: WSJ is obviously reliable; Mediaite is a news aggregator so again you should cite the actual source; 38 North I think is OK. But I think the problem is the "excruciatingly detailed commentary". We don't need long quotes from every talking head in the known universe. What would be good is a summary of the main opinions. If you use Gordon it should be one sentence. Less is more.--
Jack Upland (
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07:29, 8 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Mediaite is not an aggregator, it doesn't merely link to other sources, and it is not feasible to link to the original source because it's typically TV shows, from which Mediaite provides quotes/clips. And it's not "every talking head in the known universe," it's a handful of observations from subject matter experts and principals such as Bolton.
soibangla (
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18:17, 8 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Post-summit reactions by South Korea Government
South Korea Government announced that "We do regret that President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un did not reach a complete agreement at today's summit,†& “But it is clear that (the summit) made more meaningful progress than any other time in the past." However, the Wikipedia article stated "South Korea and Japan both supported Trump's actions" ONLY; I think this one line sentence could be some misunderstanding about the announcement of South Korea Government.
Goodtiming8871 (
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00:01, 10 March 2019 (UTC)reply
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