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Hello again, everyone! This article indicates that a half-hour Parks and Recreation at-home fundraiser special will air next Thursday on NBC. Should that be mentioned here somehow? Thanks. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 05:12, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
There’s a lot of “TBA” in all of the days on the schedule does any one think that these should be removed until the respective networks announce more summer programming? Thanks. -- Brianis19 ( talk) 02:12, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
I was just wondering whether it would be wise to move Big Brother and Love Island to Fall 2020. Even though both shows premiered in August, most of their episodes are going to air in September and beyond. Now i know that the Sept-August only boundary stated in the lead of the schedule is fluid and usually the new tv season begins in the third week of September (around the 20th), but this year is a very unique situation. BB started of two months late and its series page states that the season is scheduled to conclude on October 28, 2020. Now I haven't found any source for this, but even if the season is shortened a bit to a minimum of 30 episodes, it will still air well into the first week of October, which is Fall. Deadline released an article about an hour ago which states that NCIS and NCIS:LA are eyeing a tentative production start date of first week Sept and the rest of the shows between Mid-sept to first week Oct. Now considering the increase in production time due to social distancing and time for post-production, the earliest the majority of shows will return with fresh episodes is the first week of Nov, which leaves a major gap in the early fall schedule. [1] Splitting BB between Late Summer and Fall would be messy and confusing. On the other hand, LI could remain a part of 2019-20 but because BB and LI are twinned together on the schedule, moving one and not the other would leave an unnecessary void in the schedule.
Sorry to ping you, @ TheTVExpert:, @ TheRedDomitor:, @ Lonniemitchell22:, @ Heartfox: and @ MrE:, but you guys seem to edit both these schedules most frequently.
So....Thoughts? Sunshine1191 ( talk) 12:30, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
This is quite a tricky situation. While usually programming that airs in August and early September isn't included in Fall, this year is an unique situation indeed. The case of TMAS and Coroner is different as there two seasons of the series' have been split between 2019-20 and 2020-21. Splitting one season of BB between two TV seasons may lead to confusion. The way I see it, while what you are suggesting does indeed hold some merit, it will also give rise to a new problem. BB and LI both occupy only one hour each between 8 and 11 on the schedule, so if we move them to Fall right now then what do we fill the slots for the remaining two hours with. I think we should wait for a week-ten days and see if CBS announces replacement programming for Fall like NBC did with ANW and Transplant or if Futon Critic updates with encores, and then decide on what has to be done. TheRedDomitor ( talk) 16:08, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
@ TheRedDomitor: and @ MrE: Guys... This is exactly why I had wanted to discuss the LI and BB situation. Now the new fall CBS schedule looks like a big heap of mess!! Love island has been moved from Monday and Saturday but not the rest of the days, BB only Thursday. I don't think I need to explain why that is problematic. Just one look and you are confused as to what has aired when and where between the two schedules. Like I had stated earlier...we'll have to either move the entire thing together or not at all. Because this splitting thing is clearly disastrous!! Waiting to hear back. Sunshine1191 ( talk) 02:02, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
@ Sunshine1191: and @ MrE: Hey Guys...Sorry for the delay in replying. I agree with u Sunshine that the new CBS fall schedule is indeed plumbing new depths on banality. But it is important to note that this year's fall schedule is a very unique one and unique is almost always paired with two scoops of crazy. I also get why MrE made the changes they did. So...lets just try to find a middle-way that both articulates the nuances of the improvised CBC fall schedule while also maintaining a sense of order and neatness in the tables. Now...i'm just throwing this out there but what difference will moving LI to 2020-21 make. The series is scheduled to conclude on 29 September which is well within the traditional parameters of the 2019-20 schedule. Moving it to 2020-21 doesn't achieve anything in terms of improving the schedule. Monday already has replacement programming scheduled at 9 (One Day at a Time) and Crimetime saturday is anyways a bunch of encores that run throughout the year. Instead of over complicating the matter by shifting, it makes more sense, at least to me, to let it be where it is. The same applies to BB. I understand MrE's point that the series is airing through Oct and thus should be included in the Fall schedule too. But at the same time it is also important to look at the logistics of it all. CBS in their new fall schedule announcement haven't designated any replacement programming for 9 pm and 10 pm through October on Sunday's which indicates that they intend to stick to the previously announced fall schedule and air NCIS: LA and NCIS: NO encores throughout. The same applies for Wednesday and Thursday at Nine. Amazing race has a October premiere date as a replacement for BB, which is when Fall actually starts. When the network itself intends to let things run the way they are, I don't think that we as editors should head in another direction. Also, it is more convenient to add one note at the start of the 2020-21 schedule table which states that due to COVID this years fall schedule has been compiled mainly through fitting in pieces like in a jig-saw puzzle and not all programming may align in terms of their air-dates (which i think should anyway be done), than adding separate notes for BB, Love Island and God only knows how many more NBC and ABC shows for both schedules. Thoughts? TheRedDomitor ( talk) 03:06, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
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@ MrE:, @ Lonniemitchell22: and @ Sunshine1191:; We seriously need to decide one and for all what programming classifies as regular and what doesn't!! The confusion over this has been going on for over two weeks and it needs to end. The way I see it: Each schedule spans 12 months and 4 seasons (Fall, Winter, Spring and Summer). ie: 3 months for each season. Now, each season has three sub-seasons: Early, Mid and Late, which means one month for each sub-season. So by simple logic, for a series to be classified as regular programming shouldn't it air for at least one sub-season (one month; avg four weeks) @ a particular slot. I get it that some programming like the Holiday specials don't span as long. So, I was thinking that a criteria can be set that, for a series with fresh episodes it should air for a minimum three weeks in a row on a particular slot for it to be classified as regular programming/noteworthy on the schedule and for encores four weeks in a row. What Say? TheRedDomitor ( talk) 01:43, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
P.S.: I think that Taskmaster should be included even if it aired one episode, as it was originally planned to air the full season before being removed from the schedule. Planned programming, the same as burn-offs should be included as they are intended to become part of the schedule before the bad outcomes. — MrE ( talk) 15:29, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
@ TheRedDomitor, @ *75thClarkbarHG*, @ MrE and @ Jgstokes. As the season is coming to an end, it felt odd to me that Tim Brooks hadn't updated the Top 30 shows of the season. I wrote to them and this is what I got back:
I'm afraid we are going to have to discontinue updates to the annual top 30 due to the difficulty of getting the raw information from our contacts at the networks.
Nielsen itself does not provide this data to private individuals, and compiling the list has become harder over the years.
Sorry, and best wishes, Tim Brooks
I obviously don't have any reason to make this up, but just in case any editor feels the need to verify this information, they can send an email at tim@timbrooks.net.
That out of the way it brings me to the question of what do we do about the Top 30 shows from this season onwards. My thoughts were: i) We can use alternative sources like TVSeriesFinale which also compiles the list of the top shows using average of the final same day ratings for each show as provided by Nielsen. Or ii) We can use the top 30 based on the Live+7 final ratings average list, compiled by The Hollywood Reporter in June. ( https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/tv-ratings-7-day-season-averages-2019-20-broadcast-series-1297228). If anyone has any other sources mind please suggest. Cheers!! Sunshine1191 ( talk) 02:14, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
MrE ( talk · contribs) and Sunshine1191 ( talk · contribs): It has been over 36 hours and no other editor has replied to the discussion. Having not received any objections, I have added the Top 30 to the schedule from HR and like the previous years removed the gray background from the schedule for summer repeats, thus indicating the near end of this season. Also like the previous years, once the 2020-21 season officially begins on 21 Sept, the schedule grid can be changed from white to grey signifying the complete end of this season. TheRedDomitor ( talk) 11:11, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
Under renewals, it states that Mom (TV series) was renewed for an eighth and final season. But at the time, they had just renewed the series, unaware it would be the final season. So would it be wrong to remove the "final" part, as this wasn't declared until 2 years later? (i will not remove it unless it is ok to do so) Anthony hello123 ( talk) 02:14, 20 February 2021 (UTC)