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Why would we want to? BBC says that some unnamed French media say that unnamed Fr investigators say that witness(es) say that they heard this said? Mysteriously, we know most of what is on the CCTV, but this doesn't appear to have been mentioned as being there. I'm sure that if any solid link to a religious motive is discovered, Fr police will say so, we don't need this
chinese whispers.
Pincrete (
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09:26, 4 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Does the CCTV have sound? The point of the quote is to answer the question "why would anyone suspect terrorism". We mention the ISIS claim, which is much less reliable than the French press report on what a witness heard.
216.8.156.254 (
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19:16, 4 October 2017 (UTC)reply
That ISIS have made the claim is reliably reported by everyone, that doesn't of course make their claim true, but we know ISIS made it. A minority of Fr media are saying unnamed investigators reported that an unknown no. of witnesses heard this. There is a history of claims of having heard such a slogan, turning out to be false, sometimes invented. If we did include it, we could not say "witnesses heard", we would have to say "some french media reported that witnesses had heard". Is it worth it? The nature of the attack along with the identity of the killer would make terrorism one of the obvious possible explanations. Police seem pretty clear at present that "possible" means just that, one of their lines of enquiry.
Pincrete (
talk)
20:47, 4 October 2017 (UTC)reply
This should end this silly debate: • "the prosecutor of the Republic, François Molins [...] The prosecutor, who confirmed that the attacker had shouted "Allahu akbar" twice"[1] • "Police sources said the suspect had shouted “Allahu Akbar” (God is greatest) in Arabic as he attacked the women"[2] • "Mr Molins confirmed that the attacker had shouted "Allahu Akbar" (God is greatest) while launching the deadly attack with "a 20cm blade".[3] Cheers to all,
XavierItzm (
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01:34, 7 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Canvassing
The blood of the victims is not yet dry, and already there is canvassing for deletion going on on talk pages
[1]; if you want to talk about it, talk about it here.
E.M.Gregory (
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16:44, 3 October 2017 (UTC)reply
I see you are using the "blood of the victims" to gain leverage on a Wikipedia page. What a disrespectful and inconsiderate comment Gregory. Are you at least going to ping or send a message to that editor you accused of canvassing?
TheGracefulSlick (
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17:04, 3 October 2017 (UTC)reply
The article is being considered for deletion on French Wikipedia. I was uncertain myself whether to write it, but since it exists, have improved it (we should not restrict ourselves to English-language sources for a foreign event). I think there's a case for deletion under
WP:NOTNEWS but won't nominate it myself.
Yngvadottir (
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19:04, 3 October 2017 (UTC)reply
And the French accuse Americans of always being in a rush. If might, for example, be useful to know whether perp was acquainted with his victims before rushing to AfD. And whatever else the indictment or the press will reveal if we wait a few months instead of trying to determine notability before the police have released any significant information.
E.M.Gregory (
talk)
20:43, 3 October 2017 (UTC)reply
I removed the terrorism-related categories for now (
diff), as the prosecutors have not yet confirmed it was a terrorist act. Please let me know if there are any concerns.
K.e.coffman (
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02:29, 8 October 2017 (UTC)reply
"undocumented" is not much used in Europe - 'illegal immigrant' or "irregular" are more common, I agree 'alien' is unclear and borderline offensive, I have modified slightly.
Pincrete (
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19:45, 22 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Also if there will be another event with same background, a date mark is needed to separate them from each other. It is more helpful to rename it than not. --
Angerdan (
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11:56, 24 June 2018 (UTC)reply
Agreed. If there is another Marseille stabbing, then we will need to disambiguate each article with a year identifier at that time.
WWGB (
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12:08, 24 June 2018 (UTC)reply
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Oppose. That 2019 incident, like many other stabbings in the history of Marseiile, does not have a Wikipedia article so readers will not be confused.
WWGB (
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04:30, 11 May 2019 (UTC)reply
@
WWGB: why would readers not be confused if they live in the real world and have access to a reality outside Wikipedia such as newspapers? Of course they will be confused. Please explain from policy why the existence or not of other Wikipedia articles influence
WP:CRITERIA? Where does this idea come from? And secondly, if your understanding is correct, which it is not, then please explain why we have and use
WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT.
In ictu oculi (
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08:07, 11 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Wikipedia requires the fewest characters necessary to disambiguate a title (
WP:CONCISE). While there may have been hundreds, or even thousands, of stabbings in Marseille throughout the ages, only one such incident has a Wikipedia article. Therefore, the addition of a year to the title is unnecessary. Your concerns are completely addressed by the current existence of the redirect page
2017 Marseille stabbing.
WWGB (
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11:27, 11 May 2019 (UTC)reply
As well as being concise, the title needs to (AFA possible), identify a subject - not simply differentiate it from all other articles. The year addition helps a little to do that.
Pincrete (
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16:16, 11 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Support It has become normal and is useful IMO to include the year on these minor terrorism-related events. Including the year doesn't really clearly, totally identify the subject (which would almost certainly not be sufficiently notable to even have an article, were it not terrorism-related), but it does narrow the range of possibilities about what the subject might be.
Pincrete (
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16:16, 11 May 2019 (UTC)reply
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