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I added the requisite template above; thanks for the notice. (It is probably not needed, strictly speaking, since you were the only author on the other page and the merger, but it never hurts to have it.) --
ThaddeusB (
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20:20, 11 May 2013 (UTC)reply
Perpetrators
As of May 11th, 2013, 21:05 UTC, there is no mention at all on any of the news sources that the perpetrator is the
Kurdistan Workers' Party, yet the infobox listed them as the perpetrator. Unless there is a definite source of this, I'm removing the info from the box. EDIT: Whoops, apparently someone already removed it before I managed to do the edit.
77.172.68.203 (
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21:08, 11 May 2013 (UTC)reply
There has been speculations that the victims were actually Alawites like Bashar al Assad, as Hatay has a large population. If ture, it wouldn't make sense for the Syrian government to have done it. So be cautious with wild, unfounded claims by Turkish politicians.
FunkMonk (
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23:15, 11 May 2013 (UTC)reply
English characters in English wikipedia
We always use the local naming of city names. "Reyhanlı" is the correct name for the title. Similar to articles of other cities such as
Reyhanlı itself. --
A Certain White Catchi? 22:04, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
I just wanted to raise the point here so that it doesn't appear like it is the opinion of one editor. :) --
A Certain White Catchi? 22:43, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
About the death number
There are 3 figures on number:
1. On May, 11, 2013, the attorney general of Reyhanli district claimed to ban any visual, vocal or written material about the bombings through any mainstream media including internet.
And Reyhanli magistrates’ court approved this claim and released an official document to the public warning as article 153 of the law of criminal procedure (or Turkish Penal Code). Briefly, this law indicates prison and money punishments.
After receiving the document; almost all TV channels, newspapers (printed, web-based, etc.) unhesitatingly shifted from their ‘massively!’ live broadcastings on bombings to their daily routines.
I said ‘unhesitatingly’ because -- as most of you are also well aware -- the mainstream media all over the world has always been in deep, complex and mysterious ‘commercial!’ connections with the governments. So in the country like Turkey, these connections are even deeper and more complex than many European, middle-east or far-eastern countries. Any little ‘annoying!’ news on the ruling party can cause dozens of journalists to lay off from their companies and of course TV anchors, correspondents or photojournalists, too.
2. ‘46’ is officially declared by the government officials. And no one believes that this is accurate. Of course, no one is excited to hear more and more number but they (‘they’ are ordinary citizens!) just want to learn the facts; not any manipulated thing.
Some local news sites, freelance journalists, police officers, hospital personnel, computer-hacking groups, etc. in the guise of fake identities -- to protect themselves from the aforementioned law enforcement -- are posting in their facebook, twitter, etc. accounts, texting messages to their relatives or friends mostly living in the west regions of Turkey and sending messages to the media organizations about the real number. For now they say, the real death number is 177 and increasing.
3. There can be many provocateurs in the scene. So they can also exaggerate the number to trigger any type of riot.
In this Wikipedia page, whoever writes down a new line, particularly on the number, I highly recommend them to crosscheck with several foreign news web sites, not only with the Turkish ones.
The ban was lifted today I believe. The media ban should have a section in the article I think. --
A Certain White Catchi? 00:35, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
Controversy over the death toll
As everybody can see from previous heading, there was a controversy over the death toll in Turkish media since the very first day after the blasts. That was one of the reasons for the media ban imposition.
Cumhuriyet is perhaps the oldest newspaper in Turkey. The text I added into the "bombings" section is reliably sourced by referencing to the article/report by Mustafa Kemal Erdemol, who is a reporter from
Cumhuriyet newspaper. I believe user
user:Sayerslle does not have good command of wikipedia policies and guidelines. There is no obligation to refer to an english source while expanding an article about a subject which was a "non-english event". The source I referred to (Gerçek Gündem) is an internet news portal, quoting the whole report from Cumhuriyet by referring with the editor's and newspaper's name; so it's a kind of reliable secondary source (or third party). Now I am reverting back
user:Sayerslle's removal/deletion by changing the source to Cumhuriyet (
http://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/?hn=416566&kn=7&ka=4&kb=7). It's kind of tiresome to argue about the points, that are already clear.
Logos5557 (
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21:36, 18 May 2013 (UTC)reply
if that source claims the death toll is possibly 177, that is surprising to me and no figure as high as that has been given , even as a possibility, as far as I know in English language RS. that is 177 deaths reported as possible, and not wounded/fatalities together? Nor have English language RS reported anger being about a concern that the numbers of killed are wrong. but its obviously vital in your eyes - how useful it is to readers of English is moot. you saying I wanted to put'funny stories' in the article is insulting and idiotic and stupid. He was reporting on the aftermath and there were no 'funny stories'.
Sayerslle (
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12:39, 19 May 2013 (UTC)reply
I will not discuss more about the language issue. However, it should be mentioned that wikipedia is not a news source, but it is an online encyclopedia. Which means that it is not bounded by "journalism"s or any other profession's code of conduct. That's why, "verifiability" principle/rule of wikipedia do not forbid the use of non-english sources. Response to your "funny story" sensitivity is
here.
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15:10, 19 May 2013 (UTC)reply
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