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NO mention of History of mental illness not covered in a timely fashion?
It's plausible that mental illness played a factor. One L. Goh had language barriers, debt, bullying, and family death contributing to his current mental state. Possibility not even hinted at by Wikipedia, CNN, BBC, and other popular news sources. Might be intuition, but it still could be correct.
Let's say it's later found out that One L. Goh had mental issues. Millions of people have already read the Wikipedia page. What does this say about Wikipedia's accuracy? How about Wikipedia's responsibility to pool information on
current events from popular news sources?
A quote from Wikipedia on
Secondary Sources "These secondary sources have advantages: The authors were not involved in the event, so they have the emotional distance that allows them to analyze the events dispassionately. They also have disadvantages: The authors are writing about what other people said happened and cannot use their own experience to correct any errors or omissions. The authors may be unable to see clearly through their own cultural lens, and the result may be that they unconsciously emphasize things important to their cultures and times, while overlooking things important to the actual actors."
Because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a blog or news source, we cannot speculate on anything. If a reputable source publishes his mental state, then it can be added to the Wikipedia article.
Karl 334Talk--Contribs20:55, 3 April 2012 (UTC)reply
Agreed. We cannot mention mental illness in any context in the article, including as speculation, unless and until a reliable source itself at least speculates on it.
WP:BLP (biographies of living persons) is very clear about this, and these rules apply just as much to alleged criminals as they do anyone else. I dont understand the secondary source quote. It doesnt apply to US. we are NOT a secondary source. Wikipedia can only be a source for WP policies, etc. The quote simply guides us to, in this case, make sure we dont exclusively quote Oakland residents, politicians, victims families, but that we quote news agencies. nothing new there. How could our speculation ever be determined to be unbiased in any way? since the editors here are generally anonymous, one could not even determine if an editor was a family member of Mr Goh's, or family of a victim, or a party in some matter related to the people and agencies involved? How do we know that you, Dhomstad, are not highly biased due to a personal connection? i honestly dont think you are, but we cannot establish any methodology to prove that your speculation is unbiased, due to the nature of our site.(mercurywoodrose)
76.232.10.14 (
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01:28, 4 April 2012 (UTC)reply
Look at how it played out. It happened exactly how I thought it would. See how the article reads now - Goh is alleged to have paranoid schizophrenia. The speculation that occurred was news sources claiming he had no history of mental illness (probably meant no published history, as it would be very difficult to hide symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia for over a decade). You guys ate it up and shat it out on a wikipedia page for millions of viewers (more truthfully, yours was a sin of omission). Now the real information is out. The problem - it took until January 2013 to have accurate information on the subject's mental health history. The issue is not having an opinion that is free from bias, as all opinions have bias, but having an opinion which lacks common sense. Karl_334 and IP address 76.232.10.14, it seems the combined lack of common sense in the wikipedia community has served only to propagate false truths.
Dhomstad12:50, 8 February 2013 (UTC)reply
Shouldn't the title have the word "murder" in it? Calling this the "Oikos University shooting" makes it sounds as if there was a shooting only, but no deaths.
Joseph A. Spadaro (
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05:19, 28 March 2019 (UTC)reply