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This article is premature - it has the wrong name because nobody knows when the election will be, and Wikipedia is not a crystal ball -- Henrygb 21:23, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
See US presidential election thread 2008, neutral speculation is fine, ie expected candidates etc...
I've changed the reference to the latest possible date for the election. The five year period is calculated not from the date of the previous general election (17 May 2002) but from the date of the first meeting of the 29th Dáil (6 June 2002). This means that the Dáil must be dissolved within five years from that date: see Constitution of Ireland Art 16.5 and Electoral Act, 1992 s 33. The general election must then take place not later than thirty days after the date of dissolution: Art 16.3.2° and Electoral Act, 1992 s 96(1)(a). -- Todowd 15:24, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the reference about the constitution allows the election to be held no later than 2009. This is not true. Article 16.5 of Bunreacht na hÉireann allows the Dáil to sit for up to seven years and crucially it adds; or a shorter period that may be fixed by law. This period has been fixed at five years so legally and constitutionally the election must take place by July 2007. Only if no law had been passed for a shorter limit would the constitutional limit of seven years apply. I have mentioned this in a footnote. Snappy56 19:33, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
BTW, isn't it de facto next to impossible that this will not take place in 2007? I don't know of the usual intervalls between calling an election and actually holding it in Ireland, but it's only two more months until 2007... Can we move this to Irish general election, 2007 already? Just wondering. — Nightst a llion (?) 20:05, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Ok, so the Electoral Act 1963 gives this sequence of events once the Dáil is dissolved (I can't find any section in any later Electoral Act that amends this):
So I make it 9 days for nominations, then 7 days for campaigning (not counting Sundays/bank holidays under [4]), then the election. So roughly 3 weeks after the Dáil is dissolved is the earliest an election can be held. (This "three weeks" figure is my original research so it probably shouldn't go in the article.) Demiurge 20:02, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Since the article puts the date firmly in 2007 now and since it's impossible to hold the election between now and 31 December, I've moved it again. — Nightst a llion (?) 21:25, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
I would like to resurrect my previous idea to change the current naming convention for elections. The current convention is:
I propose this is changed to allow two alternatives, as follows:
This new option would make linking more natural and make the article names more encyclopedic.
Please comment on this proposal at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions#New elections proposal
Thanks AndrewRT( Talk) 23:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Is there a restriction on Dual mandates preventing holding both a Dáil(national) and a European Parliament seat? It was brought in, in the North recently, which led to John Hume and Ian Paisley standing down, I had assumed it was handed down from Brussels Fasach Nua 16:54, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
How about a list of candidates per constituency, or a link to one? Even RTÉ's website seems a bit sparse concerning this. Also, the heading of this section is a bit presumptuous. The electorate will decide the membership changes on 24 May. What about "TDs not seeking re-election" or similar?-- Dub8lad1 10:40, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Because Liz O'Donnell actually represent Dublin South (not as stated, Dublin South Central), I have consequently amended the box to change Dublin South Central to "Dublin South" beside Liz O'Donnell's name. (Irishman 01.01 AM GMT 27/05/07)
If you tally up the figures from the results graph there are 167 seats counted - one too many. Also, FF is listed as gaining 3 seats but went from 81 to 78 seats - looks like a loss to me. This fouls up the numbers in terms of number and percentage of seat changes.
Doesn't make any sense to me, I've changed it. — Nightst a llion (?) 10:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Tautology or bungled attempt to actually say something?
Not a tautology: "Outgoing TDs" refers to all the members of the previous (dissolved) Dail. This is a typical term you will hear and see used in the Irish media.
Do we want to update the table as results come in - or do it all at once at the end? (FF just got the first result - candidate returned in Dub Mid-West). Bastun BaStun not BaTsun 13:22, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I can't put this in any article, since it's OR, but I think it's interesting all the same: if you look at the results of every alternate election since 1989, it becomes clear that very little has changed at all! Worth bearing in mind whenever anybody talks about "seismic shifts" etc.
Irish General Elections – 1989 - 2007 | |||||||
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Party | 1989 |
Seats 1997 |
2007 |
1989 |
% vote 1997 |
2007 | |
Fianna Fáil | 77 | 77 | 78 | 44.1 | 39.3 | 41.6 | |
Fine Gael | 55 | 54 | 51 | 29.3 | 27.9 | 27.3 | |
Labour Party | 21* | 21* | 20 | 13.1* | 12.9* | 10.1 | |
Progressive Democrats | 6 | 4 | 2 | 5.5 | 4.7 | 2.7 | |
Green Party | 1 | 2 | 6 | 1.5 | 2.8 | 4.7 | |
Sinn Féin | 0 | 1 | 4 | 1.2 | 2.6 | 6.9 | |
Others | 6 | 7 | 5 | 5.3 | 9.8 | 6.7 | |
Totals | 166 | 166 | 166 | 100.0 | 100.0 | 100.0 | |
*includes total of Labour plus those WP or DL TDs who subsequently joined Labour |
Scolaire 17:16, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Just a clarification the table does indicate that the first preferences proportion for Fianna Fail increased by a marginal 0.1% on the last election. Thou' thats hardly squeezing the smaller parties, and Green Party and Sinn Fein actually increased their proportion of votes. Djegan 22:52, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I added a new table to the article as the larger table is fairly messy.Please don't delete it. The H-Man2 18:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Should entities that are not political parties (e.g., ICP, Fathers' Rights, etc.) be listed in the table showing the percentages/numbers of first preferences by party? What about People Before Profit, who registered after the deadline (which we'll need a cite for)? Technically, its factually incorrect to list them on the table; but it does provide useful comparison information. Maybe an asterisk next to those entities' names, pointing to the information added today: [5]? Bastun BaStun not BaTsun 16:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
The numbers of first preference votes don't add up to the total.
I don't know how to edit the table but the numbers that need to be fixed are:
People Before Profit 9,333
Fathers Rights 1,355
Immigration Control 1,329
Irish Socialist Network 505
Independent 106,429
Invalid votes [a new line] 19,435
The table will now sum correctly.
The numbers can be found at both electionsireland.org and
http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/publications/Electoral_Handbook1.pdf
Remember, the four party affiliations above weren't listed on the ballots so if we want to keep them in the table (which I think is a good idea) we have to remove those votes from the total for independents.
Electionsireland.org lists Gerry Browne in Kildare North as Independent Labour. If we add Independent Labour to the table we need to make the following additional adjustments.
Independent Labour [a new line] 145
Independent 106,284
I've created graphical representations of every Irish election result to add to each election article. The information in the graphics have been checked and double checked, if anyone notices any errors however please do notify me. Due to the large amount of Irish parties that claim green as their colour, I decided to choose a gold/yellow scheme for Fianna Fail, as that party claim them as their alternate colours. This prevents the party from being confused with Sinn Féin, the Green Party or other republican groups in the earlier election.
I hope people enjoy the graphics and find them useful. JandK87 ( talk) 18:51, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
The 'last election' referred to in the info box is the 2002 election. But for readers today, 2007 is the last election. This is confusing. It would be more accurate to refer to the 2002 election as the 'previous election' or just the '2002 election'. When I try to edit this line, the whole line disappears. How can it be changed? Asmaybe ( talk) 11:36, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
User "Snappy" has asked me to discuss the infobox on this page before reverting it. All Irish election pages from 1918 to 2002 use the larger version of the infobox with party leaders' pictures. It is only 2007 and 2011 which have the slimmed-down version. Both of these pages did have the larger version until "Snappy" himself changed them on 1st October. He made these changes himself without discussing them on the talk pages at all.
I would submit there is no consensus for altering the original infoboxes and it makes no sense for the Irish election pages from 1918 to 2002 to retain the larger versions but for 2007 and 2011 to be different. I am therefore reverting "Snappy"'s change. 86.147.208.85 ( talk) 15:49, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
There may be no consensus to use it on previous elections, but there is one to use it on future elections.Future UK elections, perhaps. -- Tóraí ( talk) 18:18, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:2007 Irish general election/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Importance upgraded from low to mid; a general election in a modern democracy is an important historical event. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 00:05, 2 January 2008 (UTC) |
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