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This article is not reliable as it does not cite its sources. How can oil refining in Singapore be a primary cause from the haze and listed as a "local" cause when the article is clearly talking about Malaysia? Clearly, someone out there is out to flame Singapore and damage its reputation. In fact, referring to the 2005 Malaysian haze, Malaysia itself has forest fires which contribute partly to the haze.
The focus of this article also seems to be centred on much of Malaysia. The article title is 2006 Southeast Asian haze, so other countries should also be included. It is very clear from the way the article is written that it is done so by a Malaysian. Let us include other points of view to make the article more informative and complete. -- 218.186.8.12 13:42, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for editing Huaiwei, i was just about to put a pov tag on. Clearly biased. -- 218.186.8.12 13:46, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
1) The sentence on local sources didn't quite make sense. I've tried to clean it up as best as i can, with regard to what the original author must have had in mind. (Interaction of particulates with plumes ?)
2) Updated Malaysian section based on latest visibility data publicly available.
3) Updated Singapore section. Tried to clarify difference between 3 and 24 hour PSI.
4) Added direct link, without frames, to map provided by nea.
The link in the uncontrolled burning to the controlled burning article just doesnt seem right to me.
This page gets to be mentioned on the front page! __earth ( Talk) 01:25, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I think the first sentence should be changed from its current form in the present simple to the present progressive, i.e. "The 2006 Southeast Asian Haze is affecting..." which would emphasize that it is affecting at this moment. As it stands, it sounds as though this haze were something that habitually or more than once affects Southeast Asia. The only reason we are using the present tense at all is because the haze is currently happening; we don't want that habitual element that the present simple form lends, e.g. in the phrase "He goes to school [each day]"
According to the article, the PSI reached 138 in 1997 and hit 150 at 9pm on 7 Oct 06. Since the 1997 value is less than the 7 Oct 06 reading, the 'since xxxx' structure cannot be used as for its use to be correct, the reading in 1997 has to be more than the 7 Oct 06 value. Also, the very article itself later says that the PSI hit 226 in 1997! Which is the correct reading, 138 or 226? I'm so confused... 218.186.8.12 07:47, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
If we could get more photos from Indonesia and Thailand, it'd be great. It would show how regional the nature of this emergency is. __earth ( Talk) 09:24, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
For some reason, the addition of the image gallery has caused the references section to disappear. To be more specific, the section header is there, but it's an empty section. When I experiment and delete the image gallery, the references come back but I don't see any problems with the gallery section itself. Anybody else seeing the same thing or have an idea? I've tried it on two computers, both running IE 6.0. Neil916 ( Talk) 20:50, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Having some before and after shots, so we can have some kind of baseline to compare the pollution to, would be really useful. Just a suggestion. Trainik 17:19, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
This article is only about the 2006 haze, but the important (and frightening) thing about the problem is that it recurs regularly. Shouldn't there be a main article about the recurring phenomenon, with this page, 2005 Malaysian haze, and possibly others as sub-pages about particular years? Or is there such a main page? If so, why isn't it linked to from here? 169.230.94.21 23:52, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I think we are losing the overview of the issue. Instead of focusing on the region, we are focusing on specific countries. __earth ( Talk) 05:13, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
But it's true that the Indonesia section is way to small, considering that the haze started there, and probably had the most effects there. - SpLoT 12:15, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
The focus is also going to depend on the availability of information that can be used as a reference. Singapore and Malaysia have much more developed media sectors that are aggressive about pursuing the issue. Also, it's their large city centers that are being hit. So there's the impact on people to consider, too. In terms of population and threat to human health, where is the greatest impact? Jakarta is also affected, sure, as is Brunei and cities in south Thailand, but finding news sources and other information is more difficult for those places. - Wisekwai 20:17, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed your message in the Indonesia Noticeboard. After I read the page, it has a strong POV from the affected countries. The article has poor introduction, as it starts from Countries Affected. Based on other natural/(human-caused) disaster articles, they start from the cause/background and how things developed into the disasters. Then the impact is mentioned. I'll help later if I have more time. Perhaps this article can be added in the WP:INA project, so to have more intention from Indonesia-related editors. Cheers. — Indon ( reply) — 08:12, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Why aren't they in the table? 218.186.9.4 09:17, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Same problem again... :-( Littleghostboo[ talk ] 01:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
ARGH!! NOT AGAIN!!! Littleghostboo[ boo! ] 08:35, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Is this weather related enough to go under the jurisdiction of Wikipedia:WikiProject Meteorology? CrazyC83 03:32, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
The page history says this page was moved to its current location due to the haze spreading to Korea, yet there is no section dealing with Korea specifically under Countries affected. Littleghostboo[ talk ] 08:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
One problem. If the move was made because Korea is not in Southeast Asia, then how would we name this article so that it would accommodate Saipan? FYI, Saipan is not geographically located in Asia. It's officially in the Oceania. So, shouldn't it be named West Pacific haze instead?
Also, East Asia does not necessarily comprise of Southeast Asia. In fact East Asia usually consists of Japan, PRK, RoK, PRC and RoC. Hence, the term East Asia is highly inaccurate.
Furthermore, compare East Asian haze and Southeast Asian haze. Notice that most of the former's results are "South East Asian haze" instead of "East Asian haze" outright.
Therefore, I move for a vote to return the page to 2006 Southeast Asian haze. __earth ( Talk) 11:21, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I propose macro events like monsoon, typhoon and el nino be pulled out from the country section and placed into the lead section or a section on causes which will naturally talk from a regional POV. The "countries affected" should discuss effects only. I feel that would better organized the article. Sounds good? __earth ( Talk) 10:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
There are no readings for Malaysia in November. What happened? Have the data been released yet? Wai Hong 07:46, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
I'd say this is no longer current, and the tag should be removed. – Ch acor 10:15, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
The description of the causes of the haze is entirely flawed. It is not caused by slash-and-burn agriculture. It is entirely due to wild fires caused by El Niño. Please read this article: NASA Data Links Indonesian Wildfire Flare-Up to Recent El Nino http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2007/elnino_wildfire.html
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