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Reviewer: Stevie fae Scotland ( talk · contribs) 08:25, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
I'll review the article over the course of the day, I'll probably make several revisions to this page before complete but I will send you a message once complete. Thanks for your work on the article so far, it looks in good shape.
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Liverpool finished fourth in the previous Premier League season. However, they were unable to improve on this position- I have no issue with the comparison however, I feel it would be better to switch it round as this is the 04-05 season. So, say they finished 5th first and then say it wasn't as good as the previous season.
Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 11:14, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 14:02, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 11:14, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 15:59, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 15:50, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
A Mikaël Silvestre opened the scoring for United in the 20th minute- Doesn't quite make sense, either remove the "A" or add "goal" after Silvestre.
Captain Gerrard went off with injury after 40 minutes- grammar, either "went off with an injury" or "went off injured".
with a further goal from Silvestre secured a 2–1 win for United- tense, either "and a further goal from Silvestre secured a 2–1 win" or "with a further goal from Silvestre securing a 2–1 win".
but an goal by Zat Knight- own has been missed out.
Blackburn took the lead on the stroke of halftime when Brett Emerton after the Liverpool defence failed to clear the ball- doesn't say what Brett Emerton did (I assume scored).
Liverpool manager BenÃtez- You've already established he is the manager so it's redundant to say it again.
Local rivals Everton were the opposition the following weekend in the 200th Merseyside derby at their home ground, Goodison Park- Sounds like it is the 200th Liverpool-Everton match at Goodison rather than 200th overall. Moving "in the 200th Merseyside derby" to the end of the sentence would clear it up.
A close match saw Liverpool denied a penalty in the first half when Tiago appeared to handle the ball- Did he handle it or didn't he? Avoid expressions of doubt per MOS:WORDSTOWATCH.
Wes Brown was sent off for two bookable offences in the 64th minute- Implies that both bookable offences were in the 64th minute, use "for a second bookable offence".
However, they were unable to defeat Blackburn with the match finishing 0–0 and the gap to Everton in fourth place at seven points.- second half of this doesn't quite makes sense. Either say "and that left the gap to Everton in fourth place at seven points" or "and the gap to Everton in fourth place was seven points".
reduce the gap to the rivals- Should be "their rivals".
when Gerrard scored from 35 yards (32 m) outside the penalty area- implies that Gerrard scored when 53 yards away from the goal (35 yards from the penalty area plus the 18 yards between the edge of the penalty area and the goal).
Aston Villa were the opponents for Liverpool' final game- Liverpool's
Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 15:59, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
Can I also say, your use of tables for match results is excellent. I've seen a few different ways of listing match results in these types of articles and this is one of the best. Unlike the football boxes it actually conforms to the MOS for tables and lists so well done.
Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 20:34, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
It was perhaps the best performance so far because we scored three goals and had many possibilities, I'm a little closer to finding the balance, but I need more time — I cannot say how long, it's impossible to know, what we've seen is a better team — it's a small step, we need to do more.Split this into sentences as it appears in the source. It's fine within the one set of quote marks but it shouldn't be one sentence.
Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 15:50, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
No comments.
Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 15:59, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
PS- by that, I mean well done.
Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 20:34, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
Liverpool entered the League Cup in the third round due to them qualifying for European competition, their opponents were Millwall.- Should be a full stop instead of a comma ie- two sentences
wen to extra-time.Missing a "t" in went
Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 20:34, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
they needed to play a qualifying round- Doesn't quite make sense, either "play in the qualifying round" or "play a qualifying round tie".
to ensure progression into the group stages- This sounds like it was their right to be in the group stages, I'd change it to "to reach the group stage" which is more neutral.
A 1–0 loss against Olympiacos at the Karaiskakis Stadium was the first time Liverpool had lost to Greek opposition.- You've not established that this was the next game which sorta threw me. I'd say "A 1–0 loss against Olympiacos at the Karaiskakis Stadium followed and this was the first time Liverpool had lost to Greek opposition."
to ensure they progressed- Similar to above, just keep it simple ie- "to progress".
In the 86th minute, Gerrard's "stunning half-volley, speared majestically from the edge of the area," according to The Guardian secured a 3–1 victory and Liverpool's place in the round of 16- Doesn't quite read right. I'd tweak it to something like 'In the 86th minute, Gerrard's "stunning half-volley, speared majestically from the edge of the area," according to The Guardian to earn Liverpool a 3–1 victory and a place in the round of 16.'
Two goals in quick succession in the first half by GarcÃa, was followed by a goal from BaroÅ¡ in the second half.- Two goals "were"
followed not "was".
lost their lives- just "died". I know it sometimes sounds quite blunt but it's accurate. See MOS:EUPHEMISM for more info.
0-0- I know it's in a quote but you should still use an ndash.
The match was a close match- as this was the first leg of the Chelsea tie, I would say The first leg was a close match instead of repeating the word match.
Riise and Baros missed chances for Liverpool- Baroš is missing the correct character at the end. Happens twice in this paragraph.
The second half was a 'sterile affair' according to BBC Sport with neither side able to score the match finished 0–0- The clauses in this sentence don't quite flow into each other. I'd suggest either "The second half was a 'sterile affair' according to BBC Sport and, with neither side able to score, the match finished 0–0" or "The second half was a 'sterile affair' according to BBC Sport with neither side able to score as the match finished 0–0".
Petr Cech- missing the Č in Čech.
Chelsea manager was critical of the officials following over the Liverpool goal- Who was the Chelsea manager?
When I arrived here last summer I was intent on winning some trophies, but I do not expect to get to the Champions League final- Do should be did in this quote. If he did say do then you are okay to change it according to the principle of minimal change.
Å micer- full name and link at first mention.
The extra 30 minutes were cagey with Milan having the chance with three minutes left when Andriy Shevchenko had a shot saved by Dudek, who then saved another at point-blank range.- I take it you mean "having the best chance" or "having the chance to win the match".
but Å micer his penalty- "scored" is missed out
Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 14:02, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
"I was delighted with the first half, unfortunately the first half and second half were very different. They pressed us back after the break and made it difficult for us to keep the ball. The blow was conceding a goal in the second half,"- According to the source, this was said by Benitez, not Gerrard. Only
"I'm sure Scott will be disappointed with it but to be fair to him he stopped one in the first half and it was one of the best saves I've seen all season. It means we've got to keep a clean sheet over there, but we won't play for a 0-0 in the second leg. We've got the ability to nick a goal so that will be our game plan and if we keep a clean sheet we're into the last four."was said by Gerrard.
Another excellent use of a table btw, good work.
Players with number struck through and marked †left the club during the playing season.- There are no strikethroughs in the table so I would change this to just "Players marked †left the club during the playing season".
Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 20:34, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
There is no aftermath section outlining what happened after the season concluded. Things to mention would be champions league celebrations, the defence of their title and the special dispensation required to do so, a brief summary of the subsequent domestic season, how long would it be until Liverpool won another European trophy.
Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 14:02, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
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1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. | Well written on the whole, only minor spelling/grammar to fix | |
1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. | A couple of words to watch to fix but lead/layout/list incorporation is very well done. | |
2. Verifiable with no original research: | ||
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. | Spot check on references 5, 21, 33, 56, 67, 73, 87 and 113 revealed some issues. I have listed these above. | |
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). | Different sources may be needed for 73 and 74. Spot check on quotations of 17, 29, 49, 75 and 101 brought up a couple of errors. I have listed these above. I would recommend double checking all other quotes. | |
2c. it contains no original research. | ||
2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism. | Checked with
Earwig's Copyvio Detector. It has come up with a possible violation from source 101 which I anticipated after having checked it. If the issues I've raised about it above are addressed, it should be fine. Be careful when adding quotes in future though.
Double checked after changes and a couple of quotes are queried as possible copyvios but they are properly attributed so no issues. | |
3. Broad in its coverage: | ||
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. | Covers the full season well with details of all matches and the outcome of all competitions. Tweaks could be made to the background section as I've mentioned and the article would benefit from an aftermath section. | |
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). | As above. | |
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | No issues with neutrality | |
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. | No recent issues. I note there was reluctance to update article from collapsible footballboxes to tables which was done inline with WP:DTT and WP:ACCESS but this was over a year ago. | |
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio: | ||
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | All images are tagged with relevant CC licences. | |
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. | All images are relevant to the article and captions are provided. | |
7. Overall assessment. | Overall assessment is that the article is almost there. You've done a lot of great work so far and after some modifications, the article will be good to go. Placing on hold to allow for this to happen. |
Thank you for all your work so far on this article. If you have any questions about the comments I've made, just ping me here and I'll be happy to answer them. Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 15:50, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
Stevie fae Scotland, NapHit, where does this review stand? It's been five weeks since this page was edited, and three weeks since the article was edited. How much more is left to do? BlueMoonset ( talk) 01:49, 11 September 2023 (UTC)