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GA hold
I am putting this article on hold because of a few prose problems and because a bit more information is needed.
It would improve the descriptions of the storms if you explained where they were somehow, either using distances to familiar landmasses or the coordinate system. It is difficult to understand the descriptions when they say the hurricane moved a certain direction if you don't know where they started out.
I noticed that the dots marking the storm's path in some images change color - this is not explained to the reader anywhere on the page. I assumed the different colors indicated different hurricane strengths, but I was not sure.
Prose:
The activity this season continued the trend of above average numbers of tropical storms. - When did this trend begin?
Two tropical storms moved in from the east. - This is vague - from where to where?
During its life, Adrian paralled the Mexican shoreline far offshore before cyclonically looping over its path when it was a depression. - What does "cyclonically" mean? I'm no hurricane expert, obviously. Perhaps such words could be defined for the uninitiated?
For unclear reasons, the name Knut was retired after this season. Possible explanations include difficulties in pronunciation, the name having some sort of unacceptable meaning in a language, or because the cyclone was a major natural disaster. - This is confusing - the paragraph above said that it never touched land - was there some other natural disaster named "Knut"? If so, you need to mention it and link to it.
Dealt with. Since wikipedia is supposed to read like an encyclopedia, idle speculation shouldn't be within the article. It was removed.
Thegreatdr15:51, 29 July 2007 (UTC)reply
Because of an El Niño, a "cloud cluster" situated southeast of Hawaii gathered enough convection and a closed circulation to become Tropical Depression Two-C on 21 September. - Is it correct to say "an El Nino" or simply "El Nino"? I'm not sure.
Context makes it clear that saying "an El Nino" refers to a specific El Nino event. Just saying "El Nino" refers to the phenomenon as a whole. Thus, in this page, "an El Nino" means "The El Nino of 1987". Does that clarify?
Miss Madeline |
Talk to Madeline23:27, 29 July 2007 (UTC)reply
"An El Nino" would then seem to refer to any El Nino, not specifically the 1987 El Nino. Why not specify "the 1987 El Nino", then?
Awadewit |
talk23:53, 29 July 2007 (UTC)reply
I changed the sentence, although personally I'd think that since the article is about the 1987 Pacific hurricane season, there would be enough context to indicate that the dates are in 1987.
Miss Madeline |
Talk to Madeline21:53, 3 August 2007 (UTC)reply
Done :P Use the updated infobox code please, makes stuff easier. File is uploaded but not in article as of yet due to nasty syntax.--
Nilfanion (
talk)
00:14, 3 August 2007 (UTC)reply
If you have any questions about this review, please let me know. When you have finished the revisions, drop me a line on my talk page and I will re-review it.
Awadewit |
talk12:01, 29 July 2007 (UTC)reply
Note: Please don't strike out other people's comments. It is like changing their wording - the reviewer decides if the objection has been addressed and does the striking. Editors often use something like {{done}} to remind themselves of what they have completed. Thanks.
Awadewit |
talk21:08, 29 July 2007 (UTC)reply
I have one comment. Seeing as Unisys is a private site, and it uses data from the EPAC best track, I think it would be better to cite the best track instead.
Hurricanehink (
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23:52, 29 July 2007 (UTC)reply
I agree with Madeline on this article. However on the Atlantic FAs easyhurdat should be used:it has anchors to direct link to the storms; unlike the full hurdat, and is readable.--
Nilfanion (
talk)
00:14, 3 August 2007 (UTC)reply
The reason is they aren't mutually reinforcing when they are the same data sets (as opposed to two distinct news articles on a topic). Ease of use should take priority here IMO.--
Nilfanion (
talk)
23:57, 3 August 2007 (UTC)reply
Well, the one is for expert readers, but is the official data set for the basin; the other (Unisys) uses the expert data and makes it easy to use and see. As Unisys, which is used, only uses the official yet difficult to read data, sourcing it is sourcing the best track, so it comes down to using what's the best source, or the source easiest to use. I personally prefer the expert data, but I'm not sure what's best here.
Hurricanehink (
talk)
15:11, 4 August 2007 (UTC)reply
<indent>Better yet: take the best track data and dump it to wikisource in easyhurdat format ;) That is a longer term thing well beyond this specific article though - as long as the numbers are referenced here who cares?--
Nilfanion (
talk) 16:25, 4 August 2007 (UTC) Sorry that is outside wikisource scope...--
Nilfanion (
talk)
01:11, 5 August 2007 (UTC)reply
GA fail
I am failing this article, since the seven days have elapsed and there are still outstanding issues (namely, giving the location of each hurricane and resolving the source debate).
Awadewit |
talk00:00, 6 August 2007 (UTC)reply
Problems with the 1987 Pacific hurricane season you should be aware of
I went down to TPC to fish out TD numbers for pre-1988 seasons in the eastern Pacific and pre-1980 Atlanic hurricane seasons. The 1987 hurricane season report was never written up, for whatever reason, by Redwood City. Also, NHC does not have storm wallets of eastern Pacific tropical cyclones prior to 1988. This means if there is ever going to be inclusion of information about the TDs of the 1987 Pacific hurricane season (apparently TD1, TD3, TD4, and TD7) it is going to have to be researched from the hurricane archive online or through the microfilm map series contained at the Central NOAA library at Silver Spring, MD or the NHC surface analysis archive at FIU, in Sweetwater, FL. Somehow, CPHC will have to get their facts straight about Fernanda, which was TD10 that year, not TD9. The only reason I know of the 1987 Pacific tropical depressions is because I tracked them in real-time when I was 14 years old, and still have the tracking charts (who knew they would ever come in this handy nowadays.) I did find surprising information for TDs in the early 1970s in the Atlantic basin, but that will be added to the TC project talk page.
Thegreatdr (
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14:17, 2 September 2008 (UTC)reply
(Speculating) Out of curiosity, how do we know that one of the earlier depressions wasn't downgraded; ie declared to have never been a tropical cyclone? Maybe that's why the CPHC says Fernanda was TD9 not TD10.
Miss Madeline |
Talk to Madeline00:43, 3 September 2008 (UTC)reply
If San Francisco eliminated their records, didn't write up a season summary (implying no post season review), and NHC never got their materials, I'd say it was a low probability scenario. TD 7 was a long-lived TD which approached 140W. TD 4 and TD 3 lived about one day. TD 1 I missed somehow, but the depression numbers I have written down would have been derived from the Weather Channel, and before that advisories from EPHC. However, this is the era where NHC reassigned numbering, so perhaps San Francisco did as well (though I haven't uncovered any evidence to support this statement in the case of EPHC.) I'm not sure we'll ever know. I could try contacting the author of their annual summaries, but if nothing was ever published stating that a TD was dropped after the fact, within this project we can't assume a TD was removed either.
Thegreatdr (
talk)
13:05, 3 September 2008 (UTC)reply
From what I was told, the raw HURDAT itself was about all that was ever passed along from Redwood City, and HURDAT does not include TDs which remained below TS strength. It would require a map search to retrieve this information, which will eventually be done. For now, in the database I use for my rainfall project, I'm only adding a couple TDs which impacted Mexico/Lower 48/Puerto Rico which are not already within the NHC Atlantic non-development database from the late 60s/early 70s. I'm planning on requesting TD information already within ATCF for the eastern Pacific from 1988-1992, which will include pressure information. For the most part, pressure information does not reside within the Atlantic non-development database. The database used/added to for the cliqr project is located
here.
Thegreatdr (
talk)
20:41, 5 September 2008 (UTC)reply
If someone finds a link to this article, throw it either within the article or talk page. It does not appear to exist when searching through the American Meteorological Society's website. We likely have a print copy at work, but I won't be able to retrieve it until December 15.
Thegreatdr (
talk)
21:26, 29 November 2008 (UTC)reply
If you find a copy, could you scan it and upload it somewhere? Then we can use webcite to make a permanent archive. I just tried it on a regular image
[2].
Potapych (
talk)
21:51, 29 November 2008 (UTC)reply
(indent reset) Indeed, the MWR skips this document. The
page for 1988 says: "Issue 10 pages 1829 - 2105" and above that "Issue 11 pages 2121 - 2413" (emphasis added). The 16 pages between 2105 and 2121, where the seasonal report would be, are missing. Bizarre.
Miss Madeline |
Talk to Madeline21:49, 29 November 2008 (UTC)reply
I did get a digitized copy from our local library. The tropical depression numbers are in question between what I found in their document, and what I had copied down in real-time. It is possible that San Francisco renumbered the TDs after the fact (d'oh!) I'm planning to go to the Silver Spring library to check out the surface analysis microfilm to help determine what's going on with the TD numbers that year.
Thegreatdr (
talk)
22:40, 7 February 2009 (UTC)reply
Recent OR?
No offense, but recently there has been recent OR in the article. While nobody owns articles, should the semi re-writes of the first three storms be reverted?
YETropicalCyclone05:28, 26 November 2010 (UTC)reply
I do not know how to fix the issue. If you read the talk page, you will realize that the 1987 MWS summary is missing. Thus, the only non-impact source is hundrat. I have searched Google news for possible impact sources a week ago, and got some info, but that is about it.
YETropicalCyclone20:11, 5 December 2010 (UTC)reply
You don't really need Google earth to indicate where formation, dissipation, and peak strength occurred. You just need the
NHC Lat/Lon calculator. When you need to put "the storm formed off the coast of Mexico", you can specify by saying "the storm formed 300 miles south of Acapulco". Just pick whatever city it's closest to. --♫
Hurricanehink (
talk)
15:57, 19 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Keep in mind that the new section you added was like having no section at all. You need to get a copy of that monthly weather review article to add the information. The article won't pass GA like this, because the TDs will need to be added to the timeline as well.
Thegreatdr (
talk)
15:52, 27 March 2011 (UTC)reply
Either check ametsoc.org to see if they've added the article, or go to a library that has copies of Monthly Weather Review from 1988/1989. University libraries are most likely to have them. If you are in the D.C. area, there are two NOAA libraries which would have copies.
Thegreatdr (
talk)
16:03, 27 March 2011 (UTC)reply
I just checked, and it is not on the AMS site. I'd doubt the only university near me,
UNLV, would have paper copies because you can not major in meteorology there. Should I give up on this article?
YETropicalCyclone16:13, 27 March 2011 (UTC)reply
Try contacting UNLV. Even if they don't have a met program, they could have the MWR periodical. Your other option would be to e-mail one of the NOAA libraries and get them to scan a copy for you.
Thegreatdr (
talk)
16:22, 27 March 2011 (UTC)reply
I searched the UNLV library catalog, and there was only one MWR article, an article related to the weather events between 1960-1973. Ill email the NHC about this problem, and we'll see if they can scan a copy for me.
YETropicalCyclone16:54, 27 March 2011 (UTC)reply
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The lead is mostly good. However, you do mention how many fatalities the whole season caused (3), but you don't say the amount of damage (at least $4.7 million).
"one storm peak at hurricane strength (Peke) and one peak as a tropical storm (Oka)." - I would re-word that to: "one storm 'peaked' at hurricane strength (Peke) and 'the other one peaked' as a tropical storm (Oka)"
"By comparison, the long-term averages at that time are 161 season days" ---> "By comparison, the long-term averages at that time were 161 season days"
"The first storm of the season, Adrian, was a Tropical Storm" - I would capitalize "Tropical Storm", since your not directly saying "Tropical Storm Adrian". This also occurs in the following sentence.
"The month also was the carrier of the strongest hurricane on record at that time, Hurricane Max, a strong Category 4 hurricane." - That doesn't make sense, because before Max, there was
Hurricane Patsy and the
"Mexico" hurricane in 1959, and
Hurricane Ava in 1973.
The sentence about the individual tropical cyclones which did not affect land (e.g. "Otis stayed at sea and thus had no known damage.") should either be cited with the MWR, or removed, since it is basically just filler for the shorter or lesser important storms.
There is some inconsistency with the order of American vs. metric units. On the wind speed, distance, and height, it is consistent with American unit first and then metric unit second. However, the sea surface temperatures are metric first, American second.
"Hillary would produced a major increase in waves would increase waves" - What? BTW, Hilary is misspelled (there is an extra l). I would simply chop off "would increase waves".
"The next day, troughing caused wind shear, which weakened Oka to a depression on August 29" - How about: "The next day, a nearby trough caused wind shear, which weakened Oka to a depression on August 29"
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