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Is the conflict actually referred to as a war? I understand that there was no full-scale fighting, and searches for "Franco-Siamese War" return more results for the 1941 campaign than this. --
Paul_012(
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Mark Twain referred to it this way: "News comes that within this week Siam has acknowledged herself to be, in effect, a French province." --
Pawyilee (
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09:24, 1 December 2014 (UTC)reply
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The result of the move request was: not moved. No WP guidelines that I'm aware of (or are mentioned below) indicate the need for a formal declaration before "War" can be used in a title, and no consensus for the new name. --
JHunterJ (
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15:34, 16 June 2012 (UTC)reply
Quite a few of those results actually refer to the
Franco-Thai War of 1940–41 and not this one. Others mentioned "Franco-Siamese war" (with a small w). Looking at results for
France Siam history 1893, various terms are used in referring to the series of events, including conflict, confrontation, dispute, blockade, ultimatum, controversy, etc. The only widely recognised name is "
Paknam Incident" (which is a separate article). What I'm trying to suggest is that "Franco-Siamese War" isn't widely accepted as a proper name for the subject (in contrast to, for example, "World War II"), and the article would likely be better served by a descriptive title (hence the suggested "of 1893"). "Dispute" may not be the best term, but if "war" is used, I think it should be de-capitalised. Using a different word would avoid ambiguity with the 1940–41 war, though. --
Paul_012 (
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10:15, 4 June 2012 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Enough sources use the current term that I believe we ought to keep it. I would not oppose moving this to
Franco-Siamese War (1893) and redirecting the current title to the article
Franco-Thai War, so long as we remove the hatnote here and fix all the links to go to the right article.
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05:39, 10 June 2012 (UTC)reply
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Bertdrunk, would you care to elaborate on why you reverted the move? As suggested back in the 2012 RM, the term doesn't appear to be treated as a proper name by most sources, so it should be de-capitalised. While the RM didn't agree on the move to Franco-Siamese dispute of 1893, nobody actually opposed the suggestion to rename the article to
Franco-Siamese war with a lowercase w. --
Paul_012 (
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19:10, 8 March 2017 (UTC)reply
I still think it should be renamed to have war uncapitalised, but seeing as it might not be uncontroversial it'd probably need an RM. I'd like to think this over a bit more though. --
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17:03, 21 March 2017 (UTC)reply
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Franco-Siamese War → Franco-Siamese crisis – or
Franco-Siamese conflict – Revisiting this. Having gone through Google Books results for "Franco-Siamese war", "Franco-Siamese crisis", and "Franco-Siamese conflict", it appears that "Franco-Siamese crisis" is by far the most commonly used by sources directly discussing the event, as well as contemporary ones and the history summaries presented in travel guides. Conflict comes second. In contrast, "Franco-Siamese war" was only found in passing or one-off mentions in works whose focus lay elsewhere.
Here's a breakdown of the results I checked that were more directly relevant.
Support per nominator. I checked Google Books for "1893 France Siam" and variations (e.g. including Grosgurin) and "war" does not seem to appear very frequently at all. (While we're here, let's also delete the questionable
Template:Campaignbox Franco-Siamese War, where there is one incident treated as if it was a battle...)
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