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 | On 10 August 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from July 1757 heat wave to July 1757 heatwave. The result of the discussion was moved. |
I don't see how having these raw data helps a reader in the slightest. Why are we showing it at all? Does the reader really benefit from having this table? What do they mean (what are they being compared to, what does 'normal' look like)? Why are these specific days selected for display? Why do we need the daily high, the daily low and the average temperature of this number of successive days to understand that there was a heatwave, and it was hot? What is the point? It is all just seems like data for data's sake. Agricolae ( talk) 14:03, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre ( talk) 00:36, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- July 1757 heat wave → July 1757 heatwave
- 1808 United Kingdom heat wave → 1808 United Kingdom heatwave
- 1906 British Isles heat wave → 1906 British Isles heatwave
- 1911 United Kingdom heat wave → 1911 United Kingdom heatwave
- 1955 United Kingdom heat wave → 1955 United Kingdom heatwave
- 1976 British Isles heat wave → 1976 British Isles heatwave
- 1990 United Kingdom heat wave → 1990 United Kingdom heatwave
- 1995 British Isles heat wave → 1995 British Isles heatwave
- 2013 British Isles heat wave → 2013 British Isles heatwave
- 2018 British Isles heat wave → 2018 British Isles heatwave
- 2021 British Isles heat wave → 2021 British Isles heatwave
- 2022 United Kingdom heat waves → 2022 United Kingdom heatwaves
– "heatwave" is used by WP:RELIABLESOURCES: Met Office, NHS, The Independent, World Meteorological Organization, World Weather Attribution, BBC News, World Health Organization, The Times, World Economic Forum, Bloomberg News.
On the other hand, "heat wave" is more American English. Therefore, these articles should be moved per MOS:TIES. 90.254.30.143 ( talk) 08:43, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- Support per WP:TITLEVAR, especially as the articles tend to use "heatwave" rather than " heat wave" in their text per MOS:TIES. -- DeFacto ( talk). 15:47, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- Support per DeFacto. estar8806 ( talk) ★ 19:27, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. Per the
British Google Ngrams, both spellings are commonly used in British English. This is no different from the article on
Grey being at that title and written in American English despite the fact that "Gray" is the more common American spelling.
Rreagan007 (
talk)
19:33, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- @ Rreagan007 See here. There is no consensus on keeping that article at Grey. In my opinion, it should, in fact be "Gray", per WP:RETAIN and WP:TITLEVAR. 90.254.30.143 ( talk) 11:05, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
- Support. Definitely much commoner in British English. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 15:18, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. There's lots of heat wave articles that aren't British heat waves, shouldn't we just have one usage? Indeed, even the July 1757 heat wave was also in Northern Europe, and was reported on in Paris. A heat wave in French is called a "Canicule" so they lend no spelling help. My point is we shouldn't just be creating some separate spelling plan for the times you guys wished you had air conditioning.-- Milowent • has spoken 15:59, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
- Comment, is it important to specify that this was the July 1757 heat[ ]wave, anyway? Looking at some other Europe heat wave articles, July seems to be something they have in common. Would it be better to call it something like 1757 European heat wave/ 1757 European heatwave instead? Roll 3d6 ( talk) 02:50, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
- Support per MOS:TIES, although I agree with Roll 3d6 that the first suggestion should just be 1757 heatwave per WP:CONCISE. Actualcpscm scrutinize, talk 16:01, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved to 1757 heatwave. Consensus that "July" is unnecessary over-precision. Though the nominator noted that adding "European" would be WP:CONSISTENT with other articles on heat waves, participants argued that WP:CONCISE and WP:PRECISE made it preferable to omit "European" from the title, indicating a stronger weight of argument for omission. ( closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 14:12, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
July 1757 heatwave → 1757 European heatwave – To match 2003 European heat wave. As noted by participants in the above RM, "July" is not needed. 90.254.4.178 ( talk) 09:23, 24 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Lightoil ( talk) 14:18, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
- Tagging @
Roll 3d6 and @
Actualcpscm
90.252.23.226 (
talk)
11:41, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. Why is „European“ needed here? „1757 heatwave“ does not need to be further disambiguated. As I mentioned, I would support „1757 heatwave“ per
WP:CONCISE.
Actualcpscm
scrutinize,
talk
11:53, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
- @ Actualcpscm Would be the same at 2003 European heat wave, seeing as 2003 heatwave redirects there.
- And the policy is
WP:RECOGNIZABILITY.
90.252.23.226 (
talk)
12:50, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
- I agree that this other article should also be moved.
- Recognizability is not harmed by being more concise here; we don‘t need to distinguish this heatwave from any others that occurred in the same year, and per the recognizability policy, „1757 heatwave“ is perfectly fine. It‘s absolutely suitable for identifying the subject. Someone researching this heatwave will recognize „1757 heatwave“ just fine, as required by the policy. Actualcpscm scrutinize, talk 13:50, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
- Comment, I certainly support removing the "July" from the title, but Actual makes a point about whether to include "European". In the last RFM, I mentioned the current proposed title as an example of what I thought would be a better idea, from a quick glance at how we named other European heatwaves. After reading Actual's comments, I say 1757 heatwave would be equally or more appropriate. Roll 3d6 ( talk) 19:42, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. Why is „European“ needed here? „1757 heatwave“ does not need to be further disambiguated. As I mentioned, I would support „1757 heatwave“ per
WP:CONCISE.
Actualcpscm
scrutinize,
talk
11:53, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
- Note: WikiProject Weather has been notified of this discussion. Lightoil ( talk) 14:18, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
- Note: WikiProject Europe has been notified of this discussion. Lightoil ( talk) 14:18, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
« July 1757 was the hottest month in the history of Paris… ». This sentence is only true if raw data are considered. Data corrected by Meteo-France give 22,6 °C as average for July 1757. They show that August 1780, 1997 and 2003, as well as July 2006, were hotter than July 1757. July 1794, 1859 and 1994 were so hot than July 1757 (ref : La Meteorologie, 2009, n°67).
By the way, we note the reference for the table is this of a personal website ( Meteo Climat bzh). I think it shoudn't be valid in Wikipedia. Piblo ( talk) 10:12, 5 April 2024 (UTC)