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I deleted a chunk of the third paragraph detailing the applicability of the test due to lack of citations. I also deleted the sentence starting with research shows, and ending with three citations which were the manuals for the test. Considering that this is a trademark and a product i think making strong claims about the applicability of the test require citations from sources other than the producer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.36.6.173 ( talk) 10:30, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
May be useful to mention what kind of people would be interested in this material? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.39.42.137 ( talk) 02:50, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
This makes sense, having a separate article on the 16PF questionnaire as distinguished from Cattell's theory of
16 personality factors, especially given that "16PF" is a product and a trademark. I'll make a few minor improvements to the article. There are also two bigger improvements that I don't have time for right now, but I'll take a crack if PsychologistForJustice or someone else doesn't get to them:
WikiRepairGuy ( talk) 00:34, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
71.15.92.103 ( talk) 08:15, 2 December 2008 (UTC)This article reads like a marketing document for the test. It would be nice if someone could rework it and make it sound less so.
I see that this useful article was launched separately from 16 Personality Factors, about the same underlying theory and test. How about merging the two articles so that both are better sourced and more complete as one article? -- WeijiBaikeBianji ( talk, how I edit) 18:05, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
There is a few confusing parts to this article. In one place it says no indepdendent research has been able to duplicate Cattell's findings but lower down it references the summary of over 80 such studies validating the model. That validity and reproduction is not the same thing I know, but how do you validate a psychological model except by duplicating the findings? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.219.220.26 ( talk) 13:48, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi,
I'm just browsing... hope it's OK to post here.
The first "sentence" of this article is currently:
16 primary traits, Big Five,[1][2] which have become popularized by other authors in recent years.
It seems to me that the first half of that sentence is missing. I guess that there may be quite a bit of other information which has been lost too. It certainly doesn't read like a standard Wikipedia article.
Nick
As suggested on this talk page and on the 16 Personality Factors Talk page, I have started to merge the content from the 16 Personality Factors page to here. At present the 16 Personality Factors page is somewhat redundant, so this is an attempt to have all information together in a comprehensive source on the 16PF.
To declare my interest - I work for OPP, the owners of IPAT, who publish the 16PF. Therefore I am aiming to make impartial changes (e.g. to compile content in one place and to remove outdated or irrelevant material). I will stay clear of editing controversial material unless I have a citation to show that the material is inaccurate. My changes will be clearly signed (which is why I have made some changes twice, when I realised that I had not signed in during my first round of changes). 16PF expert ( talk) 11:23, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
I have now merged all relevant information from the 16 Personality Factors page. This means that the 16PF Questionnaire article is now a comprehensive account of the questionnaire, background, theory, references etc. I suggest that the 16 Personality Factors could now be removed without loss of any useful information.
16PF expert (
talk) 15:38, 29 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding
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Thanks for doing this. I meant to do it myself when I discovered there was this secondary site on the 16PF factors, but haven't had time. It's a good idea to have all the 16PF info in one place rather than stretched across several sites which people may not know about. I'll look through it and see if I can add anything. PsychologistForJustice ( talk) 05:37, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
I would suggest that for clarity, the 16PF Questionnaire page be renamed '16PF (16 Personality Factors) Questionnaire' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.148.85.130 ( talk) 23:21, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Why is the trait of 'Dominance' abbreviated to 'E?' That just seems odd to me; shouldn't that personality trait be abbreviated as a 'D?' — RandomDSdevel ( talk) 00:00, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
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Please add other conflicting perspectives, with the evidence to support them. This article, although I skimmed it quickly, seems to be written from the point of view of promoting this model rather than taking a broader, more objective, stance. There was a reference to 60 studies that have supported it. There are plenty of data points for other models, too. Social sciences research is full of strong disagreements, especially about things as complex and amorphous as human personality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.193.168 ( talk) 06:55, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
I totally do agree. I was surprised about that when reading it. It almost look like an advertisement. — Preceding
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This article is improving thanks to everyone's efforts, but still reads like a marketing description. The references are still very poor, mostly written by the test's creator and generally self-referential. Few are peer-reviewed journal-based. Most can't be easily checked, or relate to entire books without any indication as to the location of the reference, let alone studies that support the over-the-top statements about its validity.
What really got my goat was the statement 'validated across different cultures at different times'. The reference is a hardcopy book (which can't be checked unless you own it or can find it), and provides no more detailed references for such a strong statement e.g. a study reference. Very few psychometric tests have been 'validated across cultures', the statement is somewhat bombastic in the field of psychometric testing these days (let alone for IQ tests!), and I have reservations that the book's author (Prof. Boyle) would make such a statement anyway. This strong statement without any clear reference was, for me, the best hint in the article that the whole page is a marketing blurb - the zeitgeist is that all non-trivial tests should be assumed to have cultural specificity. A statement that your test has 'been validated across different cultures' would require a very specific reference to a carefully designed test, published in a peer-reviewed journal for it to have any credence with professional psychologists.