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Sorry, I don't know proper Wikipedia protocol. I am not an experienced Wikipedian. However, I just want to flag this article as clearly not following the Neutral Point of View policy! I would put the flag that says "the neutrality of this article is disputed" on the article but that seems presumptuous. Experienced Wikipedians, please take notice of this article! 70.83.138.182 ( talk) 04:26, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
First Graph is labelled 'growth of wind & solar power' but its no such thing. Its a wildly speculative claim by a random individual, and one that isn't in any way realistic. Its current label is grossly misleading, and wipes away any trace of credibility this page might have claimed to have. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.31.66.207 ( talk) 18:02, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
This article looks like a POVFORK and/or something that should be merged with Renewable energy. NewsAndEventsGuy ( talk) 19:04, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
In April 2019 it was suggested that 100% renewable energy should be merge into Carbon neutrality. See discuss=Talk:Carbon neutrality#Merger proposal. I support! Tomastvivlaren ( talk) 15:41, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
100% clean and renewable energy is here, with the unexpected discovery of The Oceanogenic Power. Apparently the law experts and their hackers (who mostly can not be scientists) fails to discern innovation or not of a discovery, and have applied since 2000 the rules of deletion to our contribution,regardless to violate the principle In good faith of the creators of Wikipedia. And they have been so relentless, who tried to stop me to correct technicalities. And the main technicality is that I have to name the portion of energy extracted from the undeniable energy contained in the rotation of any celestial body, in this case Earth. That energy is old, and the part that is transferred to the oceans, is also old. Realize that this is happening, it is discovering. It is a lie? Anyone who says this until the tantrum is furisos against his own blindness or is not scientist.
So let's talk and include the corresponding in the main article: The Oceanogenic Power is hydropower, super clean, efficient, cheap (1 cent per kw hour) and now, enough.The same energy that moves the oceans: the earth's rotation around its own axis, and the force of gravity, mainly between the earth and moon. OK, there is disagreement in the scientific community about the origin of the energy that sustains these two cosmic phenomena, but like so many other things in the universe, their existence is unquestionable.
The Earth is a giant centrifugal pump without flow. Therefore, we can consider any of these, as analysis model.
No matter their inefficiency, when there is no flow of water: the efficiency is zero, and all the energy in the shaft, is lost in heat or internal energy, and self-recirculation. When the flow rate increases, so does the efficiency until it reaches its maximum; being transferred more energy from the shaft, and lowering the energy loss. That is, one flow is primed, which implies, a percentage of the total shaft energy.
The rotational (shaft) energy of our planet is 63 yottawatt-hour, at 1% efficiency, we would have at our disposal 630 zettawatt-hour.
Also, there are estimates of the energy in the powerful, ocean currents, that I think, the most powerful are 4; already such estimates of lost energy (370 Tw) is enough to justify our discovery. But the interesting thing is that, until the more inefficient, centrifugal pumps on our planet, if its impeller rotates, its efficiency is not less than 1% , Why think that the earth not have this efficiency, in the worst case? However, the discovery: Oceanogenic Power, and all its extraordinary implications, it is justified, although the efficiency be less than 0.000001%.
This is the source of OCEANOGENIC POWER of Panama, that only in Panama, with current technology, we can extract. Currently the net effect is a head of water of 0.3 to 15 meters between the Pacific and Atlantic, separated 70 kilometers (44 miles). When priming any flow, will happen the same as occurs in a centrifugal pump, which is nothing more that a chain reaction that will precipitate an energy in equilibrium that is front of our noses.
On the other hand, the tidal amplitude offshore (0.3 meters), coincide with the variation of distance calculated by applying to the derivative of the formula of universal gravitation, the variation of gravity due to the moon. This body of water has to move at the same speed of the tsunamis: A little less than 300 meters per second.
Then, when the moon move from Panama to Asia in 12 hours (463 meters per second), each tide would have 27 hours to do the same route, so that when a high tide reaches the other end of the Pacific in Panama already there is a new high tide.
By the other side, in the Atlantic, the bulge of water is stopped by the Americas, and its onset, especially in the northern hemisphere, has to expect the relative path of the moon on Europe, Asia and Africa, which corresponds to one quarter of the circumference of the planet or six hours.
The roundness of our planet, and the position and direction of motion of the moon relative to Earth, defines, and makes it impossible for the ocean in Cape Horn change its direction of motion, the same as the rotation of our planet.
Therefore, 24 hours a day, every day, the Pacific is exposed to the forces (two resultant) that move the whole mass of water present on earth, and every 6 hours, the exposure is practically alone on it (total force twice). The Atlantic is never alone in front of these forces; every 6 hours, it is not exposed to them; and when exposed, is only to one of them.
With a simple equation, it demonstrates why altimetry measures the Pacific is 37 cetimeters above the Atlantic. As the cyclical components of gravitational forces is only in one direction, of most importants: towards the moon and sun, the same equation requires that the 37 centimeters also represent the minimum average difference between the Pacific and Atlantic.
This difference, we have personally measured, lock to lock in the Panama Canal, already enables scaling up to 160 GW of continuous power; plus 12 Twh per day to refine cleanly sea water, oil, biomass or whatever. This is enough for five U.S. states like California, with its unquestionable research infrastructures. All the U.S. needs 2 tw average, for not using a single drop more oil, nor for power nor as raw material for industrial uses.
To convert the 0.37 to 4 meters difference in level between the Atlantic and Pacific in Panama, in heads of water of sufficient size to use hydraulic turbines, we open an spillway in Panama at the level of the Atlantic and 40 meters deep, physics tells us that in less than 45 minutes will form between the world's largest oceans, a stream whose average smaller would be 2 meters per second. High tide in the Pacific Panamanian lasts 4 hours minimum.
If the spillway is 300, 1000 or 2000 meters wide, the respective flow will be 6, 21 or 42 million gallons per second of seawater. The dynamic change of this volume of water will cause the same thing happens at the origin of any tsunami, when in the inlet and outlet spillway, this current is confronted with the hydraulic conditions, practically immutable, of two different and immense oceans.
At one end, directing and controlling the flow against the rotation of the earth and the oceans, static to each other, but in Panama, cosmically moving at 450 meters per second and 22.000 meters in height of his rest in the gravitational field. This will change the cross slope of the water in the stream, respect to the slope of the ocean. Just like when we turn the coffee into a cup, water will rise when stopping their speed and it will spill into the center of the cup, where the vortex of the vortex. In our case, the vortex of the vortex is the north pole, the effect of the spoon is by the spillway by Panama, and will decrease only slightly, the 450 meters per second rotation speed.
At the other extreme, the Atlantic: the permanent cyclonic current in the respective Panamanian coast, and due to the powerful Gulf Stream, will reduce the output speed of the current of spillway, which, by design, will be a small sample of such, causing a vacuum in the entire spillway, enough to add to the difference of real sea level where hydroelectric dam will be constructed, the apparent level of low tide caused here by the turbulent currents of the Gulf of Panama.
This detail represents the critical mass to trigger the chain reaction for the continuous production of clean energy. In other words, this is the first plant to extract the nuclear fusion of the universe and as it is cold, it also respects our planet.
After a first project will be possible to research the details to take advantage of the same principles and escalate to serve the entire U.S. or also the whole world.
And this is the origin of the Oceanogenic Power, which, along with how take advantage of it, is our discovery.
Experts Massachusetts Institute of Technology sent a representative to visit Panama authorities and urge them to begin the protocol steps necessary to address the issue together. Osmand Charpentier ( talk) 16:14, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Second paragraph of "Recent developments" section and last paragraph of "Debate" section are the same. Which one should be kept complete or should it be split? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tuxayo ( talk • contribs) 17:53, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
In November 2014 the IPCC came out with a new report saying that nuclear + renewables is cheaper than renewables alone. The report says : in the absence or under limited availability of mitigation technologies (such as bioenergy, CCS, and their combination BECCS, nuclear, wind and solar), mitigation costs can increase substantially depending on the technology considered. (Table 3.2) I think the article should be updated to include this new report Vmaldia ( talk) 09:11, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
This article seems to use "energy" and "electricity" interchangeably. E.g. the title is "100% renewable energy" and a section called "Places with around 100% renewable electricity". There's a substantial difference between getting only electricity from renewable sources vs. getting all energy from renewable sources, since electricity is only about 40% of total energy production.
Hi 50.165.8.243, it would be ideal if the reader knew that "energy" includes transportation, heat and electricity. What would you suggest for 100% renewable electricity, not report it here? The 100% electricity is a milestone, no other topic has 100% renewable energy. Heck, I'd be impressed to meet a single person who had 100% renewable energy for a year. Dougmcdonell ( talk) 00:23, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
I have my doubts about GliderMaven's "60-70% efficient measured generator to wheel", the ideal numbers are something like 0.95(electical generation) x 0.95 (transmission & distribution) x 0.95 (inverter) x 0.8 (battery ) x 0.90 (motor and drivetrain) = 61%, if we then start talking about renewables with alternate sources like pumped storage or super grids the numbers keep dropping. If the electric car was twice the efficiency of the best fuel burning car, then we would only have to increase our grid output by half the amount consumed by fueled cars, a huge increase. Dougmcdonell ( talk) 20:28, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
In the current energy mix where there's fuel being burned for the bulk of our energy, the losses between fuel consumed and net consumption is huge. It's hard to follow trends when the article includes both. I'd be happy if there was no mention of capacities or primary energy, only the seasonal net power produced. The topic of primary energy is rarely applied to renewables, the inefficiencies of wind turbines, solar panels, hydroelectric turbines is only important to investors, there's lots of wind, lots of sunshine and lots of water and if they are only 50% efficient there's no greenhouse gas or air pollution. So lets keep it simple and focus on consumption. Dougmcdonell ( talk) 20:28, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
They need to take out all the instances where 100% appears. It is a nonsensical claim — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.107.3.122 ( talk) 13:52, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
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It says this about Quebec: "99% renewable electricity is the main energy used in Quebec (41%), followed by oil (38%) and natural gas (10%)". Does that mean that Quebec uses 99% renewable electricity, or 41%? I'd like clarification. Loooke ( talk) 03:18, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
With respect to edits by Boundarylayer ( talk · contribs) today, which downgraded the texts description from "physicist" to "analyst" with edit summary "Please just stop this" and then from "analyst" to mere "advocate"....
In addition, the guy has 12 honorary doctorates. I wonder what fields they are in? NewsAndEventsGuy ( talk) 23:00, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Unfortunately the list appears to be misleading. First of all, there is probably no place with 100% RE over all sectors yet. Even in Norway not every car is electric. However, 100% electricity is a requirement for moving towards 100% RE. By 2021, only the places with almost 100% hydro would be qualified for inclusion here. Most other places with large amounts of wind and solar are not independent from other sources yet. They need backup power. As soon as they are connected to the international grid, the calculation becomes difficult even if some storage is installed. Even if the amount of RE in electricity exceeds the consumption over a year, fossil or nuclear sources are used to address intermittency. If no objection, I would like to remove these places. Hedgehoque ( talk) 18:05, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
. Isabelle E Jarrott 22:43, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
I suggest to move some material into the History section and to replace the remainder by an excerpt of the first chapter of Jacobsons textbook 100% Clean, Renewable Energy and Storage for Everything, Cambridge University Press 2020. Rwbest ( talk) 09:29, 11 October 2021 (UTC)